Salvation?

Question

All the many millennia of previous prophets (Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Noah, ...etc.) and their people are all condemned to never receive true salvation simply because Jesus, the alleged "Son of God," arrived to late to save them. In other words, they have sin forced upon them (by Adam, 1 Corinthians 15:22) and the chance for redemption withheld from them (By Jesus' late arrival after their death, Galatians 2:16).
Paul says "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." Romans 5:14
"For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath reason to boast; but not before God." Romans 4:2
If Jesus had only arrived as soon as Adam committed his sin and not thousands of generations later then maybe all of these generations could have received true salvation (like this generation).
Did Abraham or any of the other prophets ever preach the "crucifixion"? Did they preach the "Trinity"? I am asking for clear and decisive words and not personal forced interpretations of their words or "hidden meanings" for their words. If you are not sure then why not ask the Jews who we are told faultlessly transmitted two thirds of the Bible to us? Have any of them ever worshipped a Trinity? Many people do not bother to think about this. As long as they are going to heaven, what does it matter what happens to others?

Answer 1

firstly, I am jewish.

>>'Did Abraham or any of the other prophets ever preach the "crucifixion"? Did they preach the "Trinity"? I am asking for clear and decisive words and not personal forced interpretations of their words or "hidden meanings" for their words."<<

no. they did not, in any way shape or form. common christian explanations have quotes from isaiah that if you look at them with the pre-judgement of the crucifixion as a given, and mistranslate a couple words, they appear to prophseize the crucifixion.

for example, theres one line in isaiah that has a part where the christian bibles frequently translate it as something to the effect of the subject of the verse being "pierced at hands and feet" and thus said to be depicting the crucifixion.

but the SINGLE word that is translated as peirced, is actually "lion" which changes the structure of the sentence from something less-direct, and more of just saying he was held down like a lion might hold one down.

>>" If you are not sure then why not ask the Jews who we are told faultlessly transmitted two thirds of the Bible to us?"<<

becuase if they asked they might find that by old testament/jewish standards, the idea of jesus as being the messiah or god incarnate, or the trinity, is polytheistic and/or idolotorous.

>>"Have any of them ever worshipped a Trinity? Many people do not bother to think about this. As long as they are going to heaven, what does it matter what happens to others?"<<

Judaism has never supported the idea of a trinity. the single most important prayer in all of judaism, is focused on the one-ness of God.

and on yom kippur we repent on behalf of humanity, and do not have an eternal hell for unbelivers, and do have a concept of a righteous gentile(unbeliever)

Answer 2

Interesting question.

I think it's a given that all people who were righteous Jews (and Gentiles, incidentally) under the Old Covenant are with God in heaven, or will be taken into heaven at the end of these days.

It is a legalistic matter - the Old Covenant was a set of laws, and it was legally binding over the chosen people (Israel) for the period up to New Covenant. God gave the Old Covenant, so was what was necessary for then. And he loved those who followed his laws. (And those who often didn't, like David, the naughty adulterer and murderer).

Same goes for the New Covenant - which was given to a new generation. And he loves those who follow him now, too.

I think you're confusing what sounds like a proselyte's scare tactics with the fact that God acts in history, and he therefore understands that those who lived before the New Covenant was instated on earth are not expected to have lived by it - only by the covenant of their time.

Answer 3

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Answer 4

It is a common christian teaching and is backed by the bible that Jesus Christ went to that place where the dead went then and preached the gospel to those there and brought them to a place called paradise. (Sorry for the shallowness of this answer, i'm tired and must lie down now.) Good question by the way.

Answer 5

you talk a lot of smack and since you know you way around the bible why don't you try reading it through in Mathew it says that when Jesus was crucified he went to the depths of Hades (hell) to preach, save and set free those lost souls. and in regard to Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Noah, those were men of God

Moses, God took his body when he died, so that Satan wouldn't posses it or mess with it,
Abraham was God best friend he used to converse with him you get my point all these men were not perfect but they they walked in God's will.

your Q is absurd

Answer 6

Hmm. In light of the fact that there's no "god", nor "salvation" (for anyone), this question seems senseless.

Answer 7

See, THIS is what happens when you take the Bible as any more than a fairy tale...it screws with your mind!

Answer 8

You just wasted a bit of your life typing that

Answer 9

There is no God.Therefore there is no salvation.Therefore there is no heaven /hell.The bible is book of political myths.