Are you willing to embrace technology so you can stop killing living creatures to survive?

Question

I do not believe in some god given right to eat animals, I believe in practicality.

Did you know that every time you wash your hands and your dishes, or the many other surfaces of your home to make yourself safe, you are killing billions of living creatures? Did you know that plants feel fear when they are watered? In all practicality it is impossible to exist without killing other creatures. Your mucus alone is responsible for billions of microbiological deaths, so what you need to realize is that fighting against survival is not the way to exist, improving your existence so that you do not need to kill more creatures is the better way.
Your best bet to stop having to kill to live would be to support the innovation of technology until we are capable of creating technology that assembles the food we eat from inorganic materials such as nutrients and vitamins, and advance it enough so that it tastes like anything we want it to.

This will not happen as long as we tear each other down because of personal beliefs.

I know killing is wrong, which is why I go out of my way to avoid killing spiders and insects, and many other living things.

I do wash my hands and eat food made from living tissues of plants and animals just to survive. If I had a machine to make my food from the soil of the earth I would switch to it tomorrow, but it is impractical to not kill to live unless you wish to die of bacterial or viral infections and starve yourself at the same time. When you drink water you kill life, when you eat plants you kill life, when you eat animals you kill life. Try being practical and only look down at those that kill for fun or out of fear. Meanwhile focus on achieving the level of technology you would need to be able to survive without killing, and know that you are making the world a better place.

If there weren't so many people that feel they are superior for their beliefs and try to prevent others beliefs from leading to a change, we would already have biologically engineered plants that produce steaks made of proteins that taste like fish and mammals, and we would only be living off of plants, in a way that allows us to not kill the plants, but pick their steak-fruit and cook them in our desired manner.

I eat meat. I do not feel bad about eating meat because eating meat is what allowed humanity to evolve into a thinking animal. Without the introduction of a large amount of protein into our diet, we would not be able to realize that killing is wrong.

Try being a leader of your community in a positive direction, embrace the technology we need to let go of this savagery,

until then I will survive like the rest of us savages do, and try to evolve beyond it.

D&L
Are you willing to stop fighting about differences and work together to advance technology enough to stop killing?

You might want to try and answer the question, the rest of the information provided is background information, relevant to the answering of the question. I am not talking about complete sterility of our body, I am talking about a compromise to allow us to live in a manner more suitable for our evolution, I merely pointed out how absurd the sterility issue is when you fight for survival every day without even knowing it.

I am not talking about human on human violence, that is caused by mental deficiency on one or both parts, my question, again, is are you willing to embrace technology so you can stop killing living creatures to survive.

eggman
while the current chaotic food chain structure has been in existance in the past, our ability to remove ourself from the game has only recently arrived. I do not agree with your willingness to hang on to our evolutions primitive aspects, but as you are the only person to actually answer my question, it looks like you will be rewarded the 10 points.

pandabunny
The research in question shows that when it rains or a plant is watered, the plants metabolism and circulation rate speed up in the equivalent manner of a humans heartbeat when humans feel fear, complete with electrical communication resembling nervous system activity. Because plants do not have central nervous systems that is how almost autonomous cells would show fear.

Cat D
I do mention that I eat meat, my question wasn't about the morality of meat eating, my question was about social willingness to accept new technology to prevent needless deaths.

Cat D
I was being intentionally obscure and giving background information for consideration, not for someone to judge me with and go off on a rant about what they believe vs what I believe. I obscure my beliefs and ask a question. Please stick to answering it.

CactusHeart
I make my environment unsuitable for roaches, sealed walls, no hiding places(sealing every seam on a cabinet and sealing it to the wall and floor), clean living, that is my point, there are technological ways to achieve a lifestyle where vegans and meat eaters are happy. Society was created by us in order to survive and now because of peoples unwillingness to advance technologically and scientifically so we can evolve society has become toxic to the survival of our environment. BTW, I EAT MEAT! As far as making the technology needed to produce the food we want, we can genetically engineer plants that use soil to produce fruits with different vitamin/mineral/caloric content, and that is the first step to making a ----

CactusHeart-continued---fully mechanical method of producing it. Can you imagine a steak tree? The technology is here, and it has nothing to do with star treks completely imaginary way of producing food, it has to do with molecular reorganization. Yes, I went to high school, and I currently have an associates degree in electronics engineering. I did not quote sources because this was a question about peoples willingness to embrace technology, even biotechnology. It is a question about social opinion placed in the vegan section for vegans. In all practicality, once you had a steak tree that produced fruit with seeds, steak trees would spread all over the earth. You are blind if you think the problem is overpopulation, viruses overpopulate and kill, the survivors spread to other places, we can spread the excess population into space once we master food production without needing livestock, that would solve the 'overpopulation problem' because in that manner we could maintain homeostasis.

CactusHeart-continued---
The problem is the social willingness to accept new technology and social willingness to work together despite our differences. Your agressive and childish retort is an example of that problem. You also failed to answer my question.

Answer 1

I'm surprised you could tear yourself away from hugging trees long enough to type all that. Animals are here for my enjoyment, I'm eating three or four right now... and getting barbecue sauce on my keyboard while I'm doing it. I like killing animals for fun and profit, and if you intend to stop me you had better come packin'
I embrace all sorts of new technologies, like the new Bushnell scope for my .30-.06 that lets me shoot a deer from nearly 1,000 yards away, if they hold still long enough. That's good use of technology!

Answer 2

So people have lived on earth for kablillions of years (I don't know how long) eating stuff that grew naturally, and now it's time to go all Star Trek and eat artificially made food? If it was fine through all evolution, what's the matter with it now? What if you didn't kill bacteria and they totally overran the world? What if things are *supposed* to die, so that you maintain balance on earth? I mean, you're supposed to have beneficial bacteria in your body to kill off fungi and stuff like that, and it's been proven that environmental stress from minor infections actually *strengthens* the body! So why would total sterility be a good thing? We're designed to have a certain amount of dirt around us and on us and in us. If you grew up in a sterile environment, you'd die the first time the ventilation system blew in a pollen spore or something that wouldn't bother you that much now.

Nice concept, I guess, but I like things more natural. Don't obsess over dirt and germs--they're all natural! Food is natural! Geez, obsess about something more reasonable.

Answer 3

Killing is wrong because we know it is wrong for us, but not killing to survive is unnatural. Germs do not care if they kill us. That is the way we became us, and that is the way others became them. Living any other way would produce ... well, look at what suburban America has already done to the average IQ. Really.

Inorganic materials aren't organic fuel. The fermentation of food is what nourishes us. We're meat batteries. It's a lovely idea. I would like not to cause anything pain. It does not mean that it's possible. I won't quit walking because thousands of tiny red mites die underneath my feet, otherwise my muscles will atrophy, and besides that, it isn't worth living if you can't carry out ADLs without rending your heartstrings into tatters.

Be kind -- God, really, there isn't enough of it ... But what there is of it is usually illogical, and then it doesn't make any difference.

Answer 4

There are certain physical laws in this place we call earth that are constant and cannot be changed......There is a food chain which exists for a reason and if you understand it you will see that all life has a purpose....Nature is perfect and is the way it is for a reason....To learn this just study wildlife in nature where minimal human interaction exists like rainforests or African planes and you will understand everything feeds or supports something else.......Species at the top of a chain in an ecosystem have a major responsibility to work in synch with nature in efforts to keep the energyflow moving.... We are in a flux on this planet right now because we are not claiming responsibility for all the inballances in nature......humans need natural organic sustenince(vegetable, animal, mineral) because we ourselves are partially organic in nature...but the way they are created have to work in harmony with this natural flow...I'm all for technology purley for the gain of knowledge but when it comes to food its a very delicate area...look at genetically modified seeds for example they have proven to do one thing but lose something else......so we hit them with chemicals....you are throwing a manmade variable into the equation that throws off our roots to this planet which are weakening by the day......There is a natural balance that exists when we eat natural foods that humans are far from ever truely understanding.....Its OK to kill to exist its how we kill and why we kill. Our methods need to be purley conserative and humane and our intent needs to be real and unmotivated by money, greed where noting is wasted.....this is where the agribusiness of this country has gone wrong and why many people are beginning to feel like yourself. If you don't think it works look how the primitive Native tribes of this planet existed....they took only what they needed they wasted nothing.....everything is recycled or used for another purpose. This is living in the flow of nature....and we are far from that....which is why people like yourself are thinking Technology is the way to go.....but thats the easy way out which may extend our expiration date but doesn't slove the problem we are here in the first place to figure out.......All living things are connected in some energetic way....to hurt something intentionally not for survival is to hurt ourselves

Answer 5

If you say you go out of your way to not kill an insect in your house (spider, etc.) you better not let any cockroaches get wind of it or they'll invade and overtake your place...that is....if they haven't already *shudder*....

The truth of the matter is, this is not an issue of technology and the lack of it....Nor is it a matter of "human survival". Eating meat for most people has become a matter of decadence. Look around you. I think it's pretty safe to say that most of the humans around you are no longer living in "survival mode"....You will not see them in the wild tracking down and hunting a can of Spam....or a Quarter Pounder with cheese.

If you went to high school, in science class they talked all about the "food chain" and that life destroys life in order to sustain itself...whether it be animal, microbial, or vegetation. So all this "let's stop killing other living things" is impractical. Even herbivorial animals "kill" living things to survive. This reminds me of that story I heard in the news years ago....about this hippie couple who went to a wildlife reserve, hopped over the barrier to sing to and pray over the lions to repent their bloodthirsty ways, stop craving animal flesh and become peaceful vegans like themselves. Needless to say, they were promptly torn to pieces....But hey, now the lions can say they also got in a serving of veggies with their meat *rimshot* Eh. I know that was bad.....*LOL*
This is not to say that it's human nature to gorge ourselves on meat....that's the decadence part....that comes from the selfishness, laziness, apathy, gluttony, taking everything for granted mindset that originates from living OUT of "survival mode".

You said:"support the innovation of technology until we are capable of creating technology that assembles the food we eat from inorganic materials such as nutrients and vitamins, and advance it enough so that it tastes like anything we want it to"

Gee. Watch Star Trek much??? *LOL* You failed to mention how close, if at all, humankind might BE in making such an achievement!! I didn't see you list any source of information. Is this an idea you read about in a scientific journal? Tech magazine? Or is this some far-off, Sci-Fi fanboy w3t-dream of yours????

Even if it was anywhere close to reality, how much would a gizmo like that COST to be BUILT, let alone, produce food?? Some people believe that a tomato picked by a non-illegal alien farm worker would cost 2$ apiece....if that were true how much would it cost to produce one using ol' spaz-o-matic here?? And how practical would that be? Tell Scotty to beam you down a brain, will ya?

P.S.-IMO, I think technology would be much better spent towards finding new ways to curb the earth's biggest problem today: overpopulation...than spent finding new ways to feed people who, in turn, contribute to O.P.

Answer 6

I quit eating meat for a year and it messed me up I would get weak and almost pass out. I feel like you should only kill what you will eat. I didnt get much out of what you said because you kind of rambled I am not saying that to be mean but I am not sure if you think we should eat meat or if we shouldnt.

Answer 7

Any idiot that thinks plants are capable of 'fear' is ready for therapy. Just like vegans need therapy (and increased gray matter).
I shall eat bloody cow tonight in your memory.

Answer 8

I believe there is a place in this world for all Gods creatures, preferrably right next to the mashed potatoes.

Answer 9

how about if everyone embraced love and compassion and we stopped killing creatures known as human? i think it would be difficult to embrace technology but i could agree to try and understand it.

Answer 10

plants don't feel fear...where did you hear that? there is no brain, no nearves....what is going on here?