this phrase doesn't make sense to me...?

Question

"paid the price"

the meaning I mean, is generally in the context of jesus and being crucified.

I get that theres this idea that sin is a debt or something,

but "paid the price" TO WHOM?

God? why would god require a payment in order to forgive?

what would be preventing god from forgiving... merely because he felt like it?

>>"well this is hard to answer without consulting a priest."<<

ok, maybe its the natural-born rabbi in me... but... why is this hard to answer without consulting a priest? I know what I believe, and why... this isn't meant as a "what does the religious institution say about this topic?" question, but a "what do you mean when you say" question.

why would he "die for our sins?" to what end? do you belive that god was incapable, or unwilling to forgive by grace, without a payment?

Colorado.. umm, huh?

Johnny, do you really feel that the blood shed is what allows/makes god willing to forgive? or the personal repentance symbolized by that sacrifice?

and where in the OT, in ANY form does it say that a human sacrifice would be tolerable for ANYTHING in ANY form?

Sin = Mistakes. we make mistakes due to the incompleteness that is inherent to our nature, as God made us. what would be unjust is to hold us eternally responsible for wrongdoings in a temporary existance.

having a karmic and reincarnation system to "pay off" the gross amount of the signifigant sins, (given, you can't "earn" your way all the way,... but you can make a honest effort at it...) in which for all intents, everyone EVENTUALLY makes it to heaven, would be FAR more just, far more fair, and honestly far more sane, loving, and kind all around. doesn't that seem like a better system?

I agree. if we truly only had one life, then everyone getting off the hook no matter what would be unfair.

but is it any less unfair that someone can have relatively minor wrongdoings, in a temporary, mortal life, and be punished for eternity?

>>"Why didn't God say to Adam, ahh don;t worry you can stay in Eden."<< because then they'd have eaten from the tree of life and ruined the whole point of creation by jumping to the end right away.

>>"Jesus loves us, and paid the price for sin. He litterally became a sinner for us, he felt every single sin on the cross."<<
do you really want to worship a god that would require such a thing, to forgive everyone?

I mean this is an omnipotent being here, you'd think he'd be able to come up with a more fair solution than your describing.

and how was he paying such a price when he knew he'd be ressurected and by most standards... VASTLY rewarded for his actions? I mean... I know I'd give my life for a whole hell of alot less...

for me? why? was god incapable of forgiving me personally, beceause he felt like it?

>>"Where is the justice? Ever crime deserves some punishment"

I agree! but I do not agree that ANYTHING that can *EVER* be done in a mortal lifespan can justly be punished with eternal torment. that is definitionally bizzarely unfair, and unjust.

the system thats being described is anything but just.

if we are born into the world sinfully, its god's doing. hes in charge, he laid out the rules. its unjust for him to require payment to break even from where HE started you.

I guess I'm feeling dumb here... because I just am seemingly incapable of fathoming beliving in such a system... it seems so cruel, so unjust, and so ... just... absolutely unimaginable to me, that people could actually belive in such a system.

Answer 1

It's not "TO WHOM" it's FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!

Answer 2

God is just. If he let sinners into heaven with no forgiveness, there would be chaos. He would be deemed unfair.

Christ litterally had to be seperated from God, he was the lamb, the only pure sacrifice.

God is perfect, and just. He cannot allow sinners into heaven even after just 1 sin. Why didn't God say to Adam, ahh don;t worry you can stay in Eden.

Jesus loves us, and paid the price for sin. He litterally became a sinner for us, he felt every single sin on the cross.

anyway, sorta bad explanation; God bless!

Answer 3

Let me use an analogy.

Let's say you are standing before a judge for some bad crime. You know you're guilty, the cop that saw you is there and knows you're guilty, and the judge has decided that you are guilty.

Would you consider that judge a good judge if he just let you go? What if that same judge then decided to let a murderer go free? Where is the justice? Ever crime deserves some punishment.

God is a just God and requires payment of the debt of your sin. However, He is a graceful God as well, and sent His son to pay your debt for you, a debt that you cannot pay.

Answer 4

When you're God, then you get to make the rules.

When you're not God, you have a choice. Follow them, or don't.

It really doesn't matter if the rules make sense to you or not.

The basic fact is that every action has consequences. The consequence of Adam's sin was to eternally enslave mankind under Satan's evil dominion.

Since mankind was no longer free to repent, forgiveness for sins was possible, but totally impractical, as nothing would change as long as Satan was in control.

Satan's power over mankind would have to be destroyed before true repentance and forgiveness could occur.

Christ became man to allow Satan and his minions to unjustly put him to death. Doing so, Satan caused his own demise, and Jesus became the new head of all mankind.

Jesus granted us our freedom.

Once free, man could repent from sin, and since Jesus was the new leader of all mankind, God was willing to forgive.

And here we are.

Answer 5

Sin has always required a price to pay. Before Christ, there were sacrifices. The payment was blood. We live in sin constantly, and do not truly grasp how deadly, disgusting, and unbelieveably devastating it is to our lives and relationship with God. We, through sin, have rendered a very good creation of God into an insignificant piece of dust worthy to be burned in hell for eternity.

God, who's ways are higher than mine, established the rules for His creation. Yet, while we were still sinning, vulgar creatures, with no obligation to do so, He loved us. In this love, He made a way -- no by anything we did or could do -- for us to have a restored relationship with the Father. In this, He sent His only Son to pay our price for our sins, so that even though our bodies must die, our souls are saved from the lake of fire and eternal torment for a life serving God in Heaven.

God hates sin, and we ought to too. Sin is the reason for the need of God's Son to die. I cannot say why that need exists. On the other hand, if the price of sin were easy, or non-existent, then how different would sin be from the infinite righteousness of God? I can see that God and sin are complete opposites, and inasmuch seems to define the ultimate sacrifice for goodness to overcome evil.

Thankfully, my Lord has already paid that price, and continues to live! He not only overcame death and earned my way to Heaven, but justified my soul through His sacrifice before the Father. God has not even done this great act for the angels who have sinned! We are made in His image, capable of having God, through the Holy Spirit, indwell us, reflecting His love and bringing glory to Him -- and that apparently is tremendously important to the Father. Praise God!

Answer 6

In God's System of Justice, the shedding of blood is the penalty
for sin.
By the shedding of blood redemption(reconciliation to God) is
obtained.
If punishment was not meeted out for sin then there would be
no justice.
This is not that hard to understand. But if this is not clear to you
then perhaps someone else might articulate this in a different
fashion.
I Corinthians 13;8a, Love never fails!!!!!
9-25-6

Answer 7

Understand that in this context the words Price, Wages and Penalty are synomymous...

God requires us to act in accordance with His will & laws... anything outside of that is sin... and the penalty for sin is death (check the book of Romans). Your death is required for your sins...

Since Jesus was sinless, his death can effectively be substituted for any number (a countless number) of sinful lives...

So... Since a death is required... and Jesus's sacrificial death will suffice that requirement, anyone who has that "insurance policy" is covered.

It's like owing a bill at your favorite restaurant... when the bill comes due... you have two options... you can pay it yourself (your own death), or you can submit your payment voucher showing that someone else has already taken care of your bill.

The fact that God is loving does not negate the fact that he is Holy. He has set these laws in place and must Himself abide by them. He can't ignore the fact that we've broken the law and must pay the penalty... however, He made a way that we don't have to pay that penalty ourselves...

Now the question is: Do you want to pay that penalty or let someone else pay it for you??? The choice is yours.

Answer 8

God is Holy. We are not. We're born into this world sinfully. To cleanse of this someone had to "pay the price." That someone, of course is Jesus. For Jesus to be crucified, He baptised whomever believes in Him, not of the flesh but, of the soul. Remember, God didn't create the world through sin.

Answer 9

"You have to pay the price for anything and everything" - assumes that everything is for sale and there is a salesman. It is the biggest mistake.

Things in existence are in co-existence. Except human being everything is naturally in co-existence. With human being it is a matter of first 'knowing' and then 'living'. While other entities - plants, material, and animals - live in a flawless manner on their own. Man needs to know. We know that man needs to know - before it can do anything. We know that we can't do carpantry without learning it. And education and upbringing is needed for a human-child to live. There is such a thing like knowing everything there is to know. And it is needed for a man to know everything to be able to live harmoniously. There is no 'price' for knowing. The existence is to be known. It is expressed for everyone to learn. I am there available - for myself - as a subject of study. So is everything else in existence.

Answer 10

the ultimate cost of anything,ie the highest price you can pay is with your life. jesus apparently did so for our sins, god ,his dad let man sacrifice his only son,(but arent we all suposedly gods children)retribution from god is desease,some dad he turned out to be. god says do as i say ,not as i do. sound familiar?this is a being who can impregnate a woman by will, and cant help when some roman nails his son to a tree trunk, pretty harsh lessons here folks.
regards LF

Answer 11

well this is hard to answer without consulting a priest. Christ always believe he died for OUR sins meaning the world. I am not sure the phrase paid the price refures to this matter.