The aitheists lie too?

Question

How aften do you hear about all of the 'religious wars' there are?

Aitheists often say religion should be 'banned' because of all these wars.

Well...

Wars (with casualties above 100,000) since 1860: 62

Religious wars (i.e. one religion against another religion): 2

Number of wars where both sides are aggressors and one side is religious, but the religion ideology is not primary cause of war: 5

Wars where religion played no factor: 55


Deaths due to these wars:

Religious wars: 1.3 Million

One side in a 2 sided aggression war religious: 3.9 Million

Deaths due to **non-religious** wars: 175 Million

Answer 1

dont you think i cry for man

Answer 2

Firstly, if your statistics are accurate and religious wars since 1860 have killed 1.3 million people, then that's a good enough reason to ban religion. So what if other wars have killed more people? That doesn't mean that the lives of 1.3 million people are unimportant.
Secondly, it is very hard to produce accurate figures concerning how many people die in a war. Do these figures take into account deaths due to civil unrest caused by war, for example?
And finally, it can also be very hard to define exactly what caused a war. The 2003 invasion of Iraq, for example, was said to be caused by Iraq hiding weapons of mass destruction. We now know there was no information to suggest they were. It was also said to be part of the War on Terror, but we now know the US is more a terrorist target now than it was before the invasion. The people who start wars tend to lie about why they're doing it because they need people to agree to fight. In whose opinion did those 55 wars have nothing to do with religion?

And as for your question, sure atheists lie. We're only human after all. But I've never heard an atheist claim that all wars were caused by religion. I've heard them say that many people die in religious wars, and your numbers confirm that.

Answer 3

When you use the term "non-religious wars' you are making it appear as though atheists started those wars. Very clever.

I do believe you meant to say "wars for a reason other than religion" in which case you would be talking about land wars, etc.

Don't condescend to me, because I understood it right the first time. I was simply pointing out that your wording is such that it's confusing to someone who may not see through it.

You fail to include in your paltry facts that the overwhelmingly vast majority of people killed would have been followers of religion. There would have been few atheists involved.

And you only include recent wars. You can't pick and choose when you are trying to make such a statement. If you want your argument to have merit, then you need to go back to the beginning of recorded history.

At that point, you will find it a certainty and a truth....more wars have been fought, and more people have died for religion than for any other reason.

Answer 4

Actually, NO war at all is "religious". All the so-called "religious wars" are fought in the name of religions, but the actual reason is normally the same: money.

Now, to those casualties caused by religion, you should add:

-girls who are killed in the course of or as a consequence of a poorly performed abortion.

-people who catch AIDS, and many other sexually transmitted diseases, because the church won't approve of the use of condoms.

-people who starve because of neo-conservative policies largely approved of by the church.

-people who die of illnesses that science cannot work on, because the church keeps opposing to certain scientific procedures, in the fear that these will prove we don't need a god.

So, you see. Figures can be made to "say" practically anything.

Now, if your point was telling that atheists lie. Well, atheists are people. People lie more or less often. So, yes. Atheists may lie, too.

But not about this.

Answer 5

The world is fortunate that the two superpowers of the Cold War were the Soviet Union (officially atheist) and the US (secular Christian). If either government had been replaced with one controlled by Christian or Muslim fundamentalists, can you even imagine what would have happened?

The concept of "mutually assured destruction" is no disincentive to religious fundamentalists who believe that death while waging war for God is a sure way to eternal paradise.

The world should be grateful for atheists. Without them, everyone else would probably now be dead.

Answer 6

That's a totally dishonest argument. Religion has been around since long before 1860 The period you are basing your argument on is a small fraction of the history of human conflict, and confined to an era where Religious differences are no longer wide enough to justify a war (what's the point of a religious war in Europe, for example, when every country is Christian. However, it took hundreds of years of bloody conflict to ensure that every country in Europe BECAME Christian--there are similar analogues throughout the world).

Answer 7

Everyone lies it is the differences that matters between the little white lies or those long black ones.

People that start a war and then say it is a religious war
Will have a great price to pay when they walk up those stairs and come to the pearly gates

Judgment day will be very interesting don't you think?

God is about Love and Peace
Not about Hatred and War

Love & Blessings
Milly

Answer 8

1) Stop generalizing. Not all Atheists want to ban religion. In fact, most of us are intelligent enough to realize that banning religion will only make it more popular.

2) From whence did you get those numbers? How do I know they're right? How do you know your source is reliable? Did your source take into account more subtle influences of religion on these wars?

3) If 100 people die of religion-related causes, and 1,000 people die of non-religion-related causes, how does that make the first 100 people less significant? Religion kills, whether you want to admit it or not.

Answer 9

no offense but it is spelled atheist ! now even a young fool should realize that there are liars in every arena of the world inclucing biblical scholars and statistitians . seek the truth but don't jump to hastily made conclusions and non secquitors that appear to matter but are not in perspective ... take it for what it's worth no-one has fixed the world yet ..... point in fact how many wars did God or religion actually stop?

Answer 10

Personally, I feel that fanatically held political beliefs are, for all practical purposes, religious in nature. Both the nazis and the commies (of various nations) committed their atrocities out of a heartfelt conviction that they were creating a better world, and the ends justified the means.

Answer 11

Someone needs a new hobby..let's not take shots at athiests, if you are religious thats you're thing, don't let other people bring down your beliefs when they know nothing about it. So stop making a big deal out of that kind of stuff because I don't think you're going to change any opinions.