Where is the childs choice to live in pro-choice?

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I find it funny that they call it "pro-choice" because it is so hypocritical. Doesn't the child have a "choice" to live? Shouldn't the child be given the chance to decide if he wants to live or die? Pro "choice" to me means you "choose" if you want to have sex or not, you know what can happen when you do, so there's your choice. You aren't ready for kids? DON'T HAVE SEX! I'm sick of people calling it "PRO-CHOICE", because it's NOT!

You know, someone can rape and abuse a child, but at least the child has life (NOT that I'm saying that is OKAY, It's TOTALLY horrible a cruel). You talk to people who have had rough childhoods, and now are successful, have family's of their own, you ask them if they'd rather be dead. You have no right to assume that anything that child could go through in life would be worse then not having a life at all. And for all you who say "well, the woman isn't ready" SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE HAD SEX. There are plenty of couples waiting to adopt newborns now too, so there are NO EXCUSES.

oh, and YES I am very angry. How can you hear about people killing innocent babies and not be? It makes me cry.

HELLO. This isn't a political thing, but if you want to try to BLAME BUSH , you should really back up your story, cause the economy is better now then it was during Clinton, do some reading before you spout your mouth.

OMG, If I could only argue in person with you people, you don't get it. What about the childs body? "it's the womans body, she should do with it what she wants" ITS THE CHILDS BODY TOO! Should your parents have the right to kill you just because they created you? Just because the child is within her body doesn't make it any less of a child. No matter the age, no matter the dependence on another, once it is created, it is it's own. And it has rights. SHE HAD THE RIGHT TO NOT HAVE SEX, WHY DON'T YOU GET THIS?

So, once a child is born a mother can kill it? The government can't tell her what to do right? So, she can kill her baby, hey, maybe all three of them, and run them into a river with her car. Yeah, you make a whole lot of sence.

You all are a bunch of SELFISH SELFISH people. Children are innocent (and it's not a fetus, it's a CHILD) you, you are a sinner, and one day...

Answer 1

outstanding.

Answer 2

Where's the childs choice to be concieved? Maybe all sex is bad? How many people do you know that have said "i wish I'd never been born?" Probably a few, sure it's dramatics but, they never did get that choice. The truth is, it's not up to a clump of cells. A womans right to bodily autonomy trumps a potential childs right to life. Unwanted pregnancy feels like rape even if that clump of cells is 'innocent'. It's called pro-choice because it's the womans choice. Don't hate women, they were newborns once themselves.

As for all those couples wanting newborns, why don't they adopt one of the thousands of unwanted children? Oh, thats right, it has to be a newborn and a 2 year old is not worth it. People like that are selfish!

And all your talk about "well she shouldn't have sex" is disgusting. You must really hate women and have some awful hang ups about sex. Sex isn't just about pro-creation. My uterus is not a housing unit so will you please get your ignorance out of it. Oh, and by the way, I had an abortion and I'M NOT SORRY! Go cry about that.

Answer 3

It's a matter of privacy. Who are you to tell a woman not to spank her child? Who are you to tell a woman not to smoke around her child? Who are you to tell a woman how to parent?

I'll go along with the whole "child" thing. (I believe the correct word is fetus but I'm answering your question, so I'll play by your rules) How can the government or you not control what a woman does do her children when they are born and yet tell them that they can't abort the child? No one has control over any mother and her children, so why should people be in control over a "mother" and HER child when it comes to abortion?

As a matter of fact that has happened. People have found out after the deaths all of the children and the person who killed her child. It happens. People just don't hear about it everyday. Oh well--you are angry and arguing with an angry person doesn't make any sense. You say things out of emotion and not fact. You need a little anger management help, if you can't even stay civil in Y!A.

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It's funny that a fellow Christian would judge. You should know that God forgives all sins with faith. And the only person that has a right to pass judgment is Him. Maybe you should re-evaluate your ideas and grow up.

Answer 4

while I feel you are completely correct considering I had my first child when I was 14 years old because I believed I was mature enough to have sex so I was mature enough to have a baby. I had no one to help me and her father was gone. It was a hard life but it was "my choice" to have sex and my consequence to have my daughter. She is now an extremely happy and healthy 6 1/2year old and I think I made a wonderful decision even though EVEN my dr. was trying to persuade me to abort. Isn't that nuts? I do believe, however a woman should have the option if her circumstances are in order such as pregnancy resulting out of rape or major risk to mother and baby. But I think anyone considering abortion just because of not being ready- well, that's not fair to the child and I think that there are plenty of people out there who have tried and tried to have babies and cannot. Why not be "pro-adoption"? This way your "mistake" can be someone else's joy.

Answer 5

Did you know there were fewer abortions during Clinton's terms in office (8 years) than there has been since George has been in?People are aborting more now because they can't support a child in this economy and no one in America wants to adopt American babies anyway--only Russian or China. Hmmmm....who keeps these American babies who survive -- while they are waiting to be adopted? Oh, I have an idea, why don't you and all your friends take two apiece. That would be the Christian thing to do and it would solve so many issues. BTW the choice is the mother's if she isn't married and guess what, God will judge her for that---not you.

Answer 6

If you want to argue the fact of PRO-CHOICE and wether a child has a choice in the matter.

What child would want to be brought up in a family of vilence. abuse, drug addiction or alcoholic addicition. Where the know their parents will have a hard time to put food on the table and cloth the child.

What child would want to grow up knowing mommy or daddy resents them because "the had plans for their life" would YOU want to be reminded every day how you screwed up your parents lives?????

I know I wouldn't. But I also would not choose abortion. I'm finacially stable to some degree. And have done allI needed to do. I'm marred to a wonderful man who treats me right. We couldnt wait to bring a child into this work, to show them what loving parents are like.

Answer 7

Well, if you could ask the child, then s/he should be given the choice. Considering the fetus (not child) is incapable of language and 1/2 way up the woman's vagina and surrounded by goo, this might be hard to accomplish, don't you think?

If I was a fetus, and you asked me if I would rather be aborted or live with a woman who was an in-debt coke addict who got pregnant by her uncle, I would say - yes please abort me. If you asked me "your mother will die if you are born, what is your choice." I would say - ok abort me. If you said "your mother was raped and will forever hate you because you will remind her of her rapist, leaving you in therapy for 20 years" I'd say - yes, please abort me.

You're right, the child is not being given enough choice. If I had the choice, I would've told my parents to abort me - had I known my "precious" life was going to be how it has been.

Since you keep adding to your question, I'll add to mine:

I wouldn't want to argue in person with you - you sound like an irrational wack job....

Answer 8

In addition to what seaelen was saying...

how come "pro-lifers" love blowing up abortion clinics? Don't they realize they are *KILLING* people and taking away THEIR lives???? Where's the "pro life" in that? Perhaps some of these aborted fetuses would have grown up to work in abortion clinics as well... maybe they would have been murderers.... who knows???

Besides... its "pro choice" for the WOMAN. Its HER choice. That's why it's called pro CHOICE. Choice whether to carry this child to term or not... I personally would never have an abortion and I am currently 8 months pregnant with a child I am going to love and care for... but when my cousin had an abortion, she NEEDED to get one (not for health reasons). She already had a one year old and the father was an abusive drunk who put a gun up to her 1 year old daughters head and he was abusive to her while she was pregnant with their daughter. You don't know everyones situation. So stay out of other peoples lives please.

Besides, do you really want more of your tax dollars to go to these welfare mothers? And if your so pro-choice, PLEASE go adopt a child! Adopt a child who was not aborted that sits in a foster home night and day waiting for someone to care for them and love them... since you have to be such a hero.

Answer 9

i'm professional-existence. i don't be attentive to the way human beings can bypass on and on with regard to the mummy desires to have a call. They thoroughly ignore the actuality that the toddler has no decision in any respect. Bringing a toddler right into a foul concern is terrible, yet why won't be in a position to human beings turn to adoption? there are hundreds of persons not in a position to have toddlers on the waiting record for adoption. human beings say that's too complicated for them, yet is killing your toddler not basically as complicated? it is not suitable that the toddler isn't totally stepped forward yet. it continues to be a toddler, it continues to be alive, and in basically some months it would have become a eye-catching toddler...who's acquainted with, one little toddler could develop as much as treatment maximum cancers. i'm able to comprehend why somebody might prefer to have an abortion, yet in my opinion, i'm against it. you won't kill a toddler which you're protecting on your palms, why kill one on your womb?

Answer 10

I totally agree, the time to make a choice is if you have sex rather than if you should KILL an innocent child. With the pro choice attitude, when our our elderly loved ones become unable to care for themselves are we going to end there lives too? I think America ( which is one nation under GOD) is better than a heathen people that whould sacrifice there children .

Answer 11

I am not saying whether I am in favor of or against legalized abortion, so don't assume anything. Having said that....

The term, "choice", is referring to the mother's choice. Whoever thought up "pro-choice" decided that would be what the term referred to, so the fact that it doesn't refer to choice for the fetus/future child has no relevance within the context of the intended meaning of the term.

None of us got a choice about whether we would be forced to live. Aborted fetuses aren't the only ones who have no choice. The choice is always made by the parent(s) who decide to let a pregnancy happen.

People often like to point out the people who were born to awful parents and/or conditions and who turned out seemingly ok; but for every one of those there are x number who live tormented, damaged, lives not just while they're children but through the rest of their lives. Some types of damage make it impossible for a person to ever be happy, whole or at peace; and when this happens it isn't a minor matter either to the person or sometimes to any victims they may have.

Some people believe children deserve to wanted; and, of course people should be careful not to allow an unwanted pregnancy to happen, but there are times it happens for one reason or another.
The parent who didn't want a child may not always be able to start wanting that child once its born. Having the child with the idea of placing it with strangers who may or may not be good parents doesn't seem like an option to someone who worries they will give birth to child and hand it over to someone questionable (and that does happen). There really are people who, if an embryo or early fetus could make a decision, would not have been chosen to go through with being brought into this world. Since they are not capable of making a choice the choice is made for them, which can seem unfair; but without an ability to make a choice and without the option of making any choice, no choice is being taken away from them at that stage.

Another side is that the woman who can terminate the life of her fetus may well lack the minimal level of maternal instinct toward her baby to ever be able to be a good enough mother. Also, a person can be entirely against abortion unless/until her teenage daughter shows up and says she stupidly got pregnant, and all of a sudden caring about an embryo or early fetus isn't possible for the mother of such a girl. All of a sudden it can become (seem) clear that the pregnant girl's life is more important than the life of an early fetus.

No matter how horrible aborting a fetus can be to someone, there are times when it may actually be more compassionate than the other option. Anyone who has seen a big enough sampling of what some mothers can do to some children can see that bad as abortion is there is worse. It can be seen as hypocritical when someone claims to be defending the rights of an unborn child and claims to be compassionate but asks that child to be born into a life of suffering (and that's what can sometimes happen).

A person who has seen enough of the consequences of some women's not having an abortion when they were not in the least bit equipped to do some minimal level of nurturing can be against abortion but may see that there are times when it is the merciful thing.

"Don't have sex" works when the people involved are mature, sensible and caring about the children they don't yet have or don't want to ever have, but "Don't have sex" doesn't work with the very people who should never become mothers. No child is ever given a choice of who his parents will be, and some of us are just fortunate. Those of us who wanted our children or who chose not to let any unwanted children happen live in a very different world than some of the people who allow a pregnancy to occur because of stupidity or who have been raped or who have been intimidated or who are just so young they think it won't happen to them. That world exists, and the issue of abortion in that world isn't as black and white as some people think it should be.

Many, many, people who are "pro-choice" are absolutely against abortion but believe there are times when some situations require that there be the legal option of that choice; so you're preaching to the choir in the case of many of the pro-choice people your question has reached. Sometimes, though, judging others is a luxury afforded to only those of us who have not been in the circumstances of those others. I don't mean just the unwanted pregnancy. I mean the whole set of circumstances.

It may be hard to imagine that there are circumstances when aborting a pregnancy would be the more moral thing to do, but when a person sees such circumstances he can recognize them.

None of us are given a choice about whether we have been born into this world or not, and most of us are not given a choice about when we will leave it. In the time inbetween most of us do our best to try to do what is the right thing. Sometimes that isn't easy - and if someone is fortunate enough to have the luxury of not seeing some of the ugly realities in the world he/she should consider himself blessed and refrain from judging those who are not as blessed.