Big bang??? Another challenge for evolutionists???

Question

Non bible believers and evolutionists believe that everything originated from an infinitely small rotating mass. Lets say for example that this spinning mass was rotating clockwise. The law of "conservation of angular momentum" states that if part of this mass has to break off that it too should be spinning clockwise.

Please explain to me that why then are there planent and other heavenly bodies which do not all spin clockwise (or anti-clockwise), according to your big-bang theory everything must be spinning the same way around, which is not the case.

Please note that I too believe in a big-bang,the bible describes it as still to come

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Answer 1

I think you need to understand angular momentum before you pose questions like this.

Have a look here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum#Conservation_of_angular_momentum

Even if the conservation of angular momentum was relevant to your point (which it really isn't) it only applies in a specific way to specific conditions. It also is a conservation law where the sum of the products equals the original value, that is to say it does not exclude negative values as long as the total remains the same.

Please do keep up your interest in these topics as you are asking questions that can be worth discussing.

I hope you get some interesting answers too !

Answer 2

You said: "Non bible believers and evolutionists believe that everything originated from an infinitely small rotating mass..."

This is a false premise. There are billions of 'non-bible believers' who have absolutely no idea what a singularity is... and, as has been pointed out to you before, the Theory of Evolution is a part of biological science, and provides an explanatory framework for the OBSERVED FACT that the genetic makeup of populations of organisms changes over time. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the origins of anything... universe... earth... life... ANYTHING.

You said: "The law of 'conservation of angular momentum' states that if part of this mass has to break off that it too should be spinning clockwise."

'Conservation of Angular Momentum' does not state that, at all. This question is nothing more than another of your 'straw man' arguments. It seems that all you have in your bag of tricks are logical fallacies. All of your questions are comprised mainly of misconceptions and outright lies. Is that how your god teaches you to comport yourself?

Answer 3

Actually, they believe it might not have been a complete singularity. I haven't heard anything about it being a spinning singularity. However, even assuming there was, conservation of angular momemtum just means that the net spin will remain. You could have counterclockwise spin if compensated by more clockwise spin. Given the trillions of atoms in a microgram of solid material in the universe, there are a lot of complex interactions going on that would result in spins of all kinds, even if the net universe spin remained contant.

And that has nothing to do with evolutionary theory. Evolution says nothing about the Big Bang.

Answer 4

Two things shoot off at the same speed and in roughly the same direction, from the Big bang. Not quite the same direction, though, as they diverge over some distance. But they are still acting on eachother with gravity, so that their divergence is slowing, and they are eventually moving toward eachother again. When they hit eachother, just a little off-center, they attach and have a new spin that has a different axis than the original spinning mass.

Answer 5

I may not have a ready answer to your question. But if you ask me, I will tell you that the big bang theory makes more sence to me than a God that creates the world by mere words of mouth. Remember, the biblical, "let there be light and there was light."
Where did the light come from when the sources of light- sun and stars were not yet created until 3 days after? Its like putting the cart before the horse.

But, let me say this, the problem of popularising scientific findings or theory like the big bang or quantum mechanics to the ordinary man on the street is the fact that Man is imprisoned in a 3-dimensional world where time is linear. He can therefore only view reality through this narrow space-time restriction. But the real world is multi-dimensional one consisting of 4 or more axis, and where time forms a coordinate.
It is therefore difficult for an ordinary mind to visualise a reality based on a reality that has more than 3 coordinates.
We need a sixth sence or a quantum leap of understanding to be able to interprete that world. Only few Scientists can rationalise or see things in that world. It is not meant for the simpletons.

Answer 6

What makes atheists and agnostics different from creationists is the simple fact that they are open to possibility. At this point in time, they have the works of scientists like Stephen Hawking to consider. But 50 or 100 years from now there could well be more and different scientific evidence which might fill in the gaps or, no pun intended, give an entirely different "spin" to how our universe began.

For what it's worth, at the very least they are open to new thought and creativity.

Answer 7

I've seen nothing about the pre-big bang singularity having the property of spin. In fact, it is described as a point of pure energy with only 1 dimension. Spin requires at least 2 dimensions, and the property of "mass" didn't come 'till much later.

Trying to prove creationism by refuting evolution will just lead you in endless circles. The theory of creation and evolution can easily live in harmony if you don't bind yourself to strict adherence to mythology.

Answer 8

You've been listening to Kent Hovind I see.

First of all, you are a ********. Just incase there's any confusual about that. You know you're a ********, right? Ok, good,

Second, the Big Bang has nothing to do with evolution you moron. Different fields of Science.

Third, the currant rotation of planets has NOTHING to do with the Big Bang.

Answer 9

Spin can only occur in space time. As space time began at the inflationary era, the beginning of the universe was nonmoving, linearly or angularly. It just started to expand extremely fast as the high energy vacuum transitioned into a lower potential vacuum and the energy was converted directly into particles, energy, and spacetime.

In short -- the beginning couldn't have been spinning because nothing would have existed in which to spin. You cannot spin without a frame of reference and you cannot have a reference without spacetime.

Answer 10

Wow! This must mean that CREATION is the only logical explanation!

However, I'm having a difficult time deciding which version of creation to believe....none of them offer any more or less proof than the others.

My list of Creationists:

1. Christians
2. Muslims
3. Hindus
4. Followers of RA, the sun god (ancient egyptions approx 5,000 years ago)
5. Church of the Flying spaghetti Monster (I get the feeling this one is a scam...must do more research).
6. The Raliens (They believe space aliens genetically engineered humans...and believe in the bible...they just "interpret" it differently than christians)

Please Provide me with the evidence that proves which version of creation is the TRUE Version.