I like to think I am a fairly intelligent responsible dog owner and I find myself increasingly dismayed by the reports of cruelty, neglect and bad handling of dogs. Should we not call for tougher laws being passed so that people can buy dogs from licensed registered breeders only(not only would this avoid problems from inter-breeding etc but avoid unwanted puppies), all dogs should be registered to the new owner and every owner should be made to attend dog training classes?What do you think?
2006-09-25 02:20:36 · 31 answers · asked by widow_purple 4 in Pets ➔ Dogs
i think that you idea about registered breeders is fantastic, it would stop alot of cruelty and a lot of UN wanted puppies but at the end of the day there is always a window for UN expected pregnancy's what would then happen to the puppies?? i am a dog owner myself (staffordshire bull terrier) my issue is with people looking at such dogs with the wrong label i think it is terrible that baby being mauled but everybody is now going to start to label any dog with a fighting/ security based past as dangerous and my dog is as soft as can be i have never met a bad staff and although i do agree with some licencing i have also seen on TV what happens when nations go against groups of dogs. I cannot stress enough that it is all to do with how the dog is brought up and not to do with an individual breed!! People like that land lord has no rights to keep dogs when all he does is turn them into killing machines!!!!!
2006-09-25 02:41:27 · answer #1 · answered by rubyredribbon 2 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Are you people here even AWARE that there is an animal rights movement whose goals are to end all pet ownership??? Laws like you are suggesting helps them. Do you want the end of all pets??? Can you guess who would be in charge of such programs? When they think all breeding and all animal ownership is WRONG do you think many would pass?
Re: breeder licensing (or MSN)
Breeder licensing affects mainly the 'good' breeders as we can not afford to sink $200,000+ to comply with regulations, nor do we care to raise our pups outside on concrete. However, the commercial breeders already have the facilities, and most of them are clean and well kept, no matter what propaganda you may hear from the AR groups. The true puppy mill that is hidden out in the woods someplace will not worry about complying, most of them are hidden from the public and we don't even know where they are. There is already a bill called PAWS that Santorum has been pushing for. It will stop most of the show breeders eventually, but won't affect the CBs (they are already USDA), and the mills will stay under the radar. We already have abuse laws that would work were they enforced, if they can't find the mills to enforce them, why do you think they would find them to enforce breeder licensing?
The ONLY place to get a puppy would be a CB or mill! Look at the mess in LA. Make breeding next to impossible and then wonder why they are having a problem with sick, smuggled Mexican puppies. WELL, DUH!!!
There is actually a city in California that will 'inspect' your pedigrees to see if you can be allowed to breed a litter. It would be funny if it weren't true. I KNOW the dogs in my pedigrees, they would know absolutely NOTHING about them, yet they should be able to make MY breeding decisions???
Re: owner licensing
And who decides who is good enough? Again, when the AR groups think pet ownership is wrong, how many would pass? What kinds of criteria would be used?
-Do you believe in breeding dogs?
Yes? Sorry you do not qualify to have a 'companion'
-Do you feed only ultra high premium food?
No? Sorry you do not qualify to have a 'companion'
-Do you believe in PP training techniques only?
No? sorry...
-Do have $3000 in savings in case of a medical emergency?
No? Sorry....
Besides, why do you think the irresponsible owners and the thugs would be trotting on in to comply? WE would be the ones to comply. The irresponsible just plain don't care and the thugs do not care if they are breaking any laws.
The answer is ENFORCED leash laws. It would drop the numbers of dog attacks and also much of the unwanted breeding if 'rover' weren't allowed to roam the streets.
If you do not think the Ar groups would hijack something like this, you are being very naive. It WOULD get like this. Remember, HSUS, PeTA, DDAL and the rest want to END ALL PET OWNERSHIP and laws like these are the best tools they have!
To another poster re: mandatory microchipping. They would also be able to track how many dogs you have (are you over your local pet limit of 2 or 3?) as well as if you had a litter of puppies (care to have PeTA harrassing you because you had a litter?)
Torbaynewfs - Have you ever read the USDA specs? I know many show breeders, but not a one would pass a USDA inspection, me included, because you have to have at least 2 kennel buildings. The facilities have to be VERY clean and well kept, USDA specs are STRINGENT! I think you are confusing puppy mills with commercial breeders, there is a big difference. True mills are never USDA, they would not pass inspection. That is not to say that CB puppies are well bred, they are not, but USDA facilities are clean. If PAWS passes, you and I will need to have those very same facilities, and raise our puppies in them.
2006-09-25 04:08:14 · answer #2 · answered by whpptwmn 5 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Hi I am a Breeder of Labradors and you would not believe how many still get dumped even though they are Registered. ( not mine )
We need harsher laws on abuse on animals you will never stop people breeding 1/2 breeds especially when you get people on TV that talk about designer dogs eg Poodle cross with Lab which i think is so wrong, when my pups go to their homes they are all under contract with me that if they no longer want that dog for any reason the dog has to come back to me.
But people still can get rid of the dog by not transferring their papers so in the end their really is no way to track all the dogs that are born in this country
As much as i would love for that to happen
Kind Regards Tess
2006-09-25 02:52:40 · answer #3 · answered by moccaebby 2 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Yes, there should be tougher laws about breading all dog's, breeder or family pet owner. Look on the street's and in the shelters all over the world and ask about the numbers of nice dog's that are put down every day. Education and strong spay and neuter laws are a must. In my area( north eastern Texas) groups of caring people are joining together and trying to change the law's in small town's and county's. It's all uphill , but when the powers that be understand it will save them money on housing and killing all these unwanted and mean dog's by making strong local ordinances they see thing's in a little different light. Good luck to you. Try to educate as many people as you can on animal over population , the suffering of these poor animals and the cost of all the above. Research some and you will be shocked at the sheer magnitude of the problem.
2006-09-25 02:44:16 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋
I always thought there was no real reason for tougher laws until I came to live on a council estate, no I'm not saying they're all bad, but it's unbelievable how many dogs are allowed to roam the streets and how many people have Staffs and Rottwiellers that tear at the fences when I'm walking my daughter to school. It frightens me to think that one could get lose. I've had dogs all my life and I've brought them up to gentle and happy. People need educating.
2006-09-25 02:47:05 · answer #5 · answered by jeeps 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
I agree. It really was a backward step when the requirement for a dog licence was abolished. The opportunity should have been taken to introduce a system that ensured more responsible dog ownership rather than the free for all we now seem to have in the UK.
We seem to have more and more "dangerous" dogs now being kept as family pets. 20 or 30 years ago you would find the occasional family with a German Shepherd. It seems now that people are happy to have Staffordshire Pit Bulls, Dobermans, and Rottweilers as family pets, until something goes wrong - as the tragic events in Leicester this weekend showed.
2006-09-25 02:37:07 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
There is not an easy answer to sovle theproblem of creulty.
I wish there was.
I do feel that everyone who owns a dog should take at least one training class with the dog. It would help people to have better pets.
I feel the people should not breed if they do not have the quality of animal to be breeding and most are not. We could stop hip displaysia now if people would not breed dogs who had not been tested for it but people are irresponsible and will do as they plese no matter who gets hurt by their actions. Until people take responsibility for what they do animals will suffer and pay the price.
2006-09-25 02:24:32 · answer #7 · answered by tlctreecare 7 · 2⤊ 1⤋
DEFINATELY, I was very distressed at the story in saturdays newspaper about some youths who threw their own dog (staffordshire bull terrier) from the top of a block of flats then went to the bottom and looked at it dying in the street then ran away laughing.
What is wrong with these people who are breeding and selling dogs to totally unsuitable owners, who have no idea how to look after themselves never mind a dog. I blame them for not checking out who they are selling their dogs to.
It makes me sick to think that someone could commit any act of cruelty on their own pet.
I myself am a dog owner (staffordshire bull terrier) these dogs when brought up properly are the most loving & faithful pets. This country is seriously out of control.
2006-09-25 04:07:36 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Actually the cases of cruelty, neglect, and bad handling has really not increased on a per capita bases,, it is just better reported. PETA & HSUS make sure that every case gets into the headlines and gets highlighted on programs like animal planet.
Now methods of training are far to subject to debate, for instance there are countries that have banned e-collars, etc, and have wished they hadn't ever since. Methods that I grew up with in the 40s & 50s were in reality far harsher than anything we see today. Most of the advances that we have seen in training, both in methods and equipment, have all come about because someone took the time to think out what would be safer for a dog , or what would be easier on the dog.
The reality is however that there has been a comprehensive bill before Congress for some time, however most breed clubs etc strongly appose it.
While there are way to many dogs, there are also to many people, how many spay nueter programs would you all like us to start,,,,,,,, aka China
2006-09-25 02:34:51 · answer #9 · answered by tom l 6 · 1⤊ 3⤋
I don't think it would work just because of the cost. Breeders charge alot of money for the animals they are selling. Recently, our family has been searching around the home - a German Shepherd is 500.00USD. Internet searches has located other breeders selling puppies for 1,500.00USD and more. Yowza! It is a great idea to maintain the health of a breed to only allow registered breeders but unfortunately the money to get a pet would eventually be too unreasonable.
2006-09-25 03:08:43 · answer #10 · answered by curiousgeorge 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋