What seems more likely to you - an uncreated universe or an uncreated god - and why?

Question

billcompugeek: Not a valid answer as you made an unsupported assertion.

vbmark: "Life cannot come from non-life" is an unsupported, unproven assertion. Try again.

tweenthelines: You don't accept that life can exist 'from nothing' (uncreated) but you think that something capable of designing and creating life *can* exist from nothing. How can that be? It doesn't make sense to regard life as being too remarkable to exist uncreated, and at the same time think that something infinitely more remarkable (a creator) can exist uncreated. That's absurd.

lalily: Yeah, it is deep :-) We know that intelligence in this universe is a product of unthinking natural processes, so it's illogical to think that intelligence could exist before there was a universe in which it could arise. How can you have an intelligent entity just exist, with no past, no growth, no birth or childhood, no learning, no experience... no precursor of any sort? It simply doesn't make sense. Intelligence is clearly a product of the universe, not the other way round.

Answer 1

God seems patently false. I can look at the methods of science and understand that our tools get better and better for observing and understanding the universe. Already there are some scientifically sound theories, not just guesses, that indicate a potentially infinitely existing starting point for not just our universe but ALL universes (see Inflaton). So science doesn't need a deity to conceive of the initiator of our visible universe.

It's impossible, however, to truly believe the existence of a deific force as the initiator. There's no consistency to the idea.

Answer 2

OK, let's run with the science theory. The Big Bang, contrary to popular opinion has NOT been proven, however it is very plausible. So, here is the singularity with extremely immense gravity, it can't hold any more and boom, the universe begins. The universe is roughly, what 13 billion years old (can't remember off the top of my head and don't feel like looking it up), so after all of this time, everything for the most part just falls into place. Here is the problem with that. Chaos. The universe is a complex system which is very susceptible to Chaos. As time goes by and the universe expands, imperfections in the make up of everything from elements to stars and planets begin to increase in number and complexity. Interaction between various substances in the universe begin to change and affect the initial prescribed outcome. These changes begin to repeat in larger, more complex iterations as the universe grows and becomes more complex. This makes the probability of non-interference unlikely. I do believe in the Big Bang and much of what science has worked on; however, with Chaos, black holes, dark matter, and other variables, the chance of the universe existing as "organized" as it is, is very unlikely. There would have to be an outside influence.

Answer 3

An uncreated universe with all this order? That is highly unlikely in spite of all the so-called evidence that supports that theory.

However, a God who is and was and is to come... The Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, from Everlasting to Everlasting... That makes a lot more sense to me. God (Our Creator) who has always been alive gave life to nothing. From dust our bodies were created and to dust they will return. Our souls however will live on forever. Where? That choice is up to your God-given free will.

Just the fact that the sun rises from morning to morning and my lungs breathe the air they breathe is enough for me to know there is a Creator. The "earth is hung on nothing" and I am not suppose to believe in a Creator?

Big Bang: I have never observed an explosion that brought about order, therefore the big bang theory is out so far as I am concerned.

God says in Isaiah "As far as the heavens are from the sea, so are my ways from man's ways, and my thoughts from man's thoughts."

It is good to think, but remember that there is only so much we are ever going to understand about God. If we knew everything there is to know about him, then he wouldn't be God anymore, would he?

Answer 4

An uncreated universe is impossible, I have already shown that through the fact that time itself proves it wrong.
A god is more logical, God made time itself along with all of reality, God existing as our minds tend to think is wrong, becuase we cannot understand his existence.

Think about a computer game programmer, when making the game, even the rules of gravity, time, and physics must be created along with the viewable objects. It isn't hard to think about Him making stuff from nothing, Even I can do that! inside my screen here. I am learning to mod.

Answer 5

both but if i had to choose i would say an uncreated universe....cannot get my head around the whole god thing, dont think this universe was put here for a reason, when you think about how utterly vast the WHOLE existence of everything then that's just never going to be explained, I think that humans created God, for comfort, guidance and to blame when things go wrong etc...

Answer 6

The Universe was created (from nothing) and God we don't know. All I know for sure is that God is nothing like anything in the Bible, Koran, Bhagavad-Gita or anythign else.
Why? Because it's God! We don't know and can get only the occasional faint glimpse, if that.
Allan W Janssen is the author of The Plain Truth About God-101 (what the church doesn't want you to know!) at; www.God-101.com
And the petition to have people mind their own business instead of yours at; http://www.petitiononline.com/moses/petition.html

Answer 7

Uncreated God. God made the finite universe from His infinity.

Answer 8

Some people will call God "Nature" and some will call nature "God. Let every person be fully convinced in their own mind. Even before the big bang there probably was something perhaps there are billions of universes each one as individual as each person.

Answer 9

An uncreated universe.
Tammi Dee

Answer 10

God is that energy which is the base of all that we see today. Even without the universe god exists as pure energy.