Do christians believe in the old testement? If not what laws prohibit stealing, murder ect..?

Question

I always thought that Jesus said ignore the old laws of the bible, talmud, and other Jewish things and just love Jesus. If so where do Christians derive their laws agansit gay marriage, rape, stealing and murder. (This is not an attack just a question)

Answer 1

christians use both old and new testaments.

Answer 2

Well the thing is Jesus himself ministered to mostly Jews and he indicated that the Jews of that time should still be following the law. This idea is followed in the early church where there was a huge struggle on whether to have gentiles (non-Jews) follow the law. The NT teaches that ancient Jews would still follow the law because it would be sinning for them not to but NOT gentiles save 4 simple commands. The law had become integrated in society and you couldnt hope to win converts to Christianity without observing the law. But as you rightly point out, we are not saved or jusitified by the law.

Actually Christians basically do observe the "universal" law found throughout the Bible that is true for all people all the time; do not murder, steal, rape, envy, false testimony, idolatry, sexual immorality, etc. It doesnt exactly take a Bible scholar to figure out what is universal and what is purely Jewish although some do debate things like the sabbath. So to completely answer your Q; Christians fullfill the law by following Jesus because he said the 2 greatest commandments for everybody to follow were love God and love your neighbor. If youre doing those, you are in essence fullfilling the law!

Answer 3

joe,
I can tell you from my experience, so don't think that I am placing rules, I'm just telling you what I think it's about, okay?

"Do christians believe in the old testement?"
Yes. The smart ones do.

"I always thought that Jesus said ignore the old laws of the bible, talmud, and other Jewish things and just love Jesus."
Jesus preached a couple of things before the death on the cross that would deny what you are saying. But if I had to say that the gist of what took place after the Ressurection was along the lines of what you are saying.

Love and trust Jesus. He will take care of you, and guide you into a better place.

"If so where do Christians derive their laws agansit gay marriage, rape, stealing and murder. "
Well, I think that some of those laws are good to have. But you see, many Christians are Legalists. They attempt to join the message of Grace with the works of the Law. It wasn't what we are supposed to be doing. It's wrong to do that. But they continue thinking like the Puritans of old, and preach a message of sin. It's one of the things that I am on this board for. I am countering that message of condemnation.

Answer 4

Just because some Old testiment rules are not applicable after the Meeting of the apostles in Acts 10, and 15, does not mean that things like the 10 commandments and other obviously good, rules for behavior. Where they get this thing about Gay marriage I have no idea, Paul says people who practice gayness will not enter heaven but he also says people who pratice the art of whispering (gossip and character assassination) will not get into heaven but not pushing for constitutional amendments against these evil doers.

Heres the thing the republican party for years needed to recruit voters because these merchants who would let there mothers starve befor relinquishing their hold on a single dollar, were not appealing to the workers who were abused on a daily basis. They found an issue in the anti abortion people among the christian population. This group suported them becuase of their avid belief that murdering truly innocent being with very little thought was really bad, and the Gov. supporting that was truly terible. Democrates were in favor of things that evened the playing field for labor, giving women a fair chance and that group also wanted abortion without any thought about the innocent life so the lines were drawn.
Now since the republicans have done as much as they can to irradicate rampant abortion, they who have felt the power among christians (some of the leadership) have grabbed onto this Gay bashing policy and are trying to use it to maintain the wide chistian suport they enjoyed from suporting the anti- abortion group.

Will it last,, perhaps if people persecute these easily led people who have little or no ability to understand scripture they will retreat into their groups and then can be used to continue supporting this merchant party-- the republicans.

Our society is in a state of moral decay as Arabs have pointed out so please do not be critical of people trying to turn that around just read that Bible and point out their error not their wish for a more moral society. I have found nothing in the Bible with regards to directions for good behavior, that is in error. Yeah do not steal and murder is listed as offensive in Pauls writtings which add clarity to Jesus's message.

Answer 5

Yes, if one is an AUTHENTIC christian, they believe in the Old Testament.

Let me ask you this: If you're an electrician, are you going to dismiss some of the knowledge and laws you learned in school and put yourself at risk of dying? I don't think so. It is the same way with being a Christian. You don't play around with God. You believe it all.

And let me tell you this too, there is NO verse that says that Jesus ignored the Old Testament laws. The law that NO LONGER was useful anymore, was the law of sacrificing animals on the altar. That is why Jesus was the FINAL sacrifice for us all, to make a way for all to be saved. For those that would believe.

Answer 6

Jesus did not say to ignore the laws that were in the old testament. He said that He was the fulfillment of the law. He also said that until heaven and earth passed away, not one jot nor tittle of the law would be erased.

In the new testament, in the book of Romans, the first chapter deals very plainly with the sin of homosexuality. There are also verses, both in 1Corinthians and Revelation, about who will not enter the kingdom of heaven; murderers, adulterors, the sexually immoral, liars, swindlers, etc. The bible is consistent in what it teaches of sin, old testament and new.

Answer 7

It's against the law to steal, murder and rape, reguardless of any religion. Rape there's no way around it, is just plain old wrong.
Murder, the only situations where it maybe okay is with self-defense.

As far as gay marriage, not just religion goes against, it's also based on morals. Even those that don't practice religion are against gay marriages.

I however, wouldn't have a problem with gay marriage. I understand the reasons, as why many don't want to allow it. By I feel by not allowing it, it is in a way being discriminate against them.

Answer 8

Christians do believe in hte Old Testament.
The Mosaic Law (Ten Commandments) are a cornerstone of Judeo-Christian beliefs.

However, were we to ignore the Old Testament, Jesus would remind us about His teaching in the New Testament.

Pay close attention to verse 40:

Answer 9

Jesus and the Mosaic Law


Many Christians are perplexed when they confront the issue of the Mosaic Law. How binding is the Law on the Christian? Some have said that Jesus abolished the Law of Moses. I would have to disagree, based on the following passage spoken by Jesus Himself:

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (Matthew 5:17)
Some have suggested that by "fulfil," Jesus meant "abolish." Indeed, "abolish" is one meaning of "fulfil," but it is also the only meaning of "destroy." So if He had meant "abolish," He might as well have said, "I am not come to abolish, but to abolish." We can assume, therefore, that Jesus meant, "to develop the full potentialities of" when He said "fulfil."

So why then do Christians not observe the Mosaic Law? The answer is that they do observe parts, but not all of it. Some parts of the Law were meant to be temporary, while others were intended to be permanent. This is seen in the fact that before Moses, the ancient Jews were not bound to the ritual commands (except circumcision). If the Mosaic Law was not meant to be temporary, then either God changes or the God of the righteous men and women before Moses was a different god. But this is absurd. We know that the God of Abraham was the God of Moses, and that He is our God today. The coming of Christ made parts of the Mosaic law unnecessary.


In order to understand this, we must realize that the Law is made up of three parts: ceremonial, civil, and moral.


The ceremonial law related specifically to Israel's worship. Since its primary purpose was to point to the coming Savior, Jesus made it unnecessary. He did not abolish it, in the sense of destroying it; He fulfilled it. Nowhere do we read that Jesus thought that the ceremonial law was wrong. The principles behind the ceremonial law are still applicable to us today, that is, the principles of worshipping and serving a holy God.


The civil law prescribed rules for the Israelites' daily living. These laws separated the Jews from the Gentiles, and gave the Gentiles the example of how a holy people should live. Since much was given to the Jews, much was expected. But God gave a new covenant in Christ, and there is now no distinction to be made between Jew and Gentile. We are still to follow the requirements of this law as God's people, but the punishments are not for any nation to impose on its people, because we are no longer separated by nations but by God's grace (Christians and non-Christians).


The moral law is basically the Ten Commandments. We are still bound by these laws, not for salvation, but to live a holy life. Jesus not only desired that His followers adhere to these commandments, He wished that they would go above and beyond them. He said, "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: but I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment..." He desired not only an outward observance of these laws, but an inward observance as well.


So we see that the parts of the Law that have been rendered obsolete are those that contain ordinances. An ordinance is either a memorial of something that has already passed or a type of something in the future. The Old Testament laws containing ordinances were not meant to be permanent. There are no ordinances in the Ten Commandment Law.


Now, we must remember that following rules and regulations will not get us into heaven. It is only through the blood of Jesus that we can see heaven. But if we love Him, we will keep His commandments.

Answer 10

the full previous covenant got here to an and. you could not chop up a covenant, leaving some in stress, and something abolished. that may not how covenants paintings. You state the ten commandments are "ethical" regulation. the place in Scripture does it say the ten are ethical regulation? Do you even comprehend what a ethical regulation is? it rather is a regulation the place there is by no skill an excuse for breaking it. it rather is continuously incorrect to homicide. it rather is continuously incorrect to dedicate adultery. yet there are distinctive examples the place the sabbath replaced into broken and justified as such. So the sabbath isn't a ethical regulation. it rather is a "sacrifice" of time. all the previous covenant ended. a sparkling covenant replaced into instituted. component to your difficulty is which you don't comprehend the hot covenant and how it rather works. .

Answer 11

In actuality, Jesus said none of those things. That was St. Paul. Jesus preached a return to the original beliefs from which he thought that man was straying.

Paul was of a different mind and felt that the original teachings should be "modified" to conform to his new religion. This was due to the fact that he was preaching ideals to the Roman people, who would not have accepted the original precepts in toto. He even changed some of the Commandments to make them more palatable to his "pagan" audience.