Conflicting view?

Question

Do you think a person can believe in and love Jesus Christ but question the existence of God or vice versa? I notice that I am questioning the existence of God because there is so much suffering in my life and in the world. How could an all loving god let people suffer the way they do? That doesn't sound like an all loving god to me, it sounds like someone who gets sick pleasure from the suffering of millions around the world. I know people say that he has some kind of master plan for everybody and that everything happens for a reason. How can you believe that when it seems like your life is spiraling upward and downward at the same time? But then on the other hand, I find myself wanting to learn more about the bible. I feel very lost and don't know what to do.

Answer 1

I think you are on the right track. I was a devout christian, born and raised that way and loved every aspect of God and his miracles. Then I started thinking that I had not necessarily studied everything myself, and I should start studying on why God was the right choice. Everytime I asked any religious figure I've ever met, why Christianity was right, the answer eventually came back to faith. No matter what kind of evidence is brought up, in the end, it comes back to faith. Personally, I can't put faith in a God, that comes from a book full of contradictions, and based on 'miracles' and actions that stop in the modern era. It just wasn't for me. Keep strudying, and you'll find where your own heart lies. And for goodness sake, don't let anyone pressure you into believeing "their" way. Not me, and not some bible thumping people.

Answer 2

No, because God was the one who sent Jesus, to die for your sins, And you say can there be a God who lets so much suffering go on,let me answer that like this,If we had no problems in this life how many people do you think would call on God?Its when we are weak that the most of us ask God for help, And some things that happen like sickness or whatever is the result of parents or grandparents and on down the lines sins. And some kinds of sickness is there to show Gods power In healing.

Answer 3

God made (created) everything, and saw that it was "very good".

Only, He allowed humanity "freedom".

They rebelled, They preferred to do things "their way".

The Scriptures were written for our learning ... so we can learn how He made Himself known in the past. Humanity continued to rreject Him.

It seems as though He decided to let them (us) show how well we can run this World. It seems, now, that He rarely intervenes in such outwardly manifest ways as He did in the O.T. times. Rather, is just waiting until humanity is at the point of actually destroying all of creation ... only then will He step forth from Heaven, intervene, and set all things right.

In the meantime, He has promised that He will be with us (believers). Not that He will do what we want, when we want; but that He will be with us.

God does NOT get pleasure from suffering caused by humans. He was so grieved with 'mankind' that He nearly destroyed all people ... once with a flood. Now He waits, just to prove that 'mankind' does not and will not come to their senses.

Definitely, He does have a "master plan"; that in Earth's darkest hour (yet to come), He will come to the rescue.

In the interim, we study the Bible, try to be His disciples, do what we can to lessen suffering, and wait. As the letter to the Romans says, the whole Earth groans and travails, waiting for the fulfillment of the Redemption.

What we lack is "Patience". We want God to give us Patien ce, and we want it NOW.

Feeling "very lost"? Do you know Jesus Christ as your Saviour and Lord? If so, then you are not lost. However, we believers also need the support of each other as we walk this pilgrim pathway.

As for suffering in your life ... who or what causes it? Many times we want that He would intervene NOW; sometimes He does; but we know (based on the promises of His Word) that He WILL, in His time.

Answer 4

You like most others are lost because you cannot see the bigger picture, God is not unloving he his just allowing time for things to take shape. He didn't intend the earth to be this way he intended us to live in peace and harmony together with the animals forever this will yet be realised, my suggestion is listen when people call at your door and speak to you about a better future, and I don't mean the politicians

Answer 5

GOD exists in my opinion. certainly everyone has adversity in their lives because life is a learning experience. if life were " just a bowl of cherries " without adversity we would learn nothing. however, when we have problems and we are able to overcome them then one can celebrate the accomplishment. this celebrating will continue until the next problem comes along and the next solution occurs. this cycle continues as long as this person continues to exist on this plane of existence.

Answer 6

I feel for you hun, I really do. I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you could try meditating and/or praying and see what God tells you. Just listen. Blessed be.

Answer 7

Hello cwilson_192002

When a carnal child breaks the commandments of their parents they are punished. Is that correct??? When you or others break civil laws you or they are punished. Is that correct. God gave to us ten laws. He said if we keep the laws He will bless us. He also said if we do not keep the laws, He will curse us. Does that sound fair????

If you really desire to learn more, you can. First things first. Don't believe me, don't believe preachers, don't believe the Pope, don't believe anyone. BELIEVE the bible.
Example: The so called christian world tells you that Jesus was killed and placed in the tomb on a Friday just prior to sunset, and that He rose just prior to sunrise on the following Sunday. That is two days and one night. Right???

Jesus said. Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Did He say three nights and three days????

Jesus was killed in the month of April at the age of 33 and 1/2. Count until His 34th birthday. Is it October???

They tell you that the wise men were at the stable ( manger ) shortly after the birth of Jesus.

Mat 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.

Did you notice that they entered into a house?? Did you notice that Jesus was no longer a baby, but a young child??? How many magi ( wise men were there??) We only know that there was three gifts. Could have been two, could have been seventeen.

They also tell you that there is a place which they call an ever burning hell, where people are to have eternal punishing.

There is no ever burning hell.


The English word hell is written 23 times in the New Testament King James version. It is translated 11 time from the Greek word hades {hah'-dace} which means grave.
It is translated 12 times from the greek word geenna {gheh'-en-nah} which should have been rendered "Gehenna" or "Gehenna of fire". ". This was originally the valley of Hinnom, south of Jerusalem, where the filth and dead animals of the city were cast out and burned; a fit symbol of the wicked and their future destruction.
It is the place of the future punishment of those that will not enter into the Kingdom of God. A one time punishment not an eternial punishing.

An Italian Florentine poet, Durante degli Alighieri, better known as Dante Alighieri or just Dante, June 1, 1265 – September 13/14, 132, created the idea of the hell that is taught to the world. Through his stage play la Divina Commedia (The Divine Comedy) the whole world has been and is being decived about a place that does not exist nor will it ever come into being.. The Divine Comedy describes Dante's journey through Hell (Inferno), Purgatory (Purgatorio), and Paradise (Paradiso). It was only a play, the works of the imagination of a man. However the Roman Catholic Church took the idea and ran with it and has long since convinced an unsuspecting world that
the writings of Dante are indeed an acurate rendition of a place of eternal punishing of all evil people. God is in total disagreement with the Catholic Church and all other that preach and teach that there is an ever burning hell, a place of eternal punishing, a place where the evil go after death.


Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day is coming, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day thats coming shall burn them up, say's the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Malachi 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and you shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Malachi 4:3 And you shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, say's the LORD of hosts.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Did you notice that they are to rule with Jesus??? Where have you been taught that they will be??? Is it heaven???

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Does it say heaven?????

Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see.

They also tell you that it is ok to keep Sunday,which is the first day of the week for Saturday which is the seventh day if the week, which is the Sabbathday.


There is 2.1 billion Christians, most of whom keep Sunday the first day of the week for the Sabbath which is the seventh day of the week. According to the following scriptures, God does not hear them when they pray. Are the scripture lies?

God commanded that we keep the sabbath.
Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee

God does not hear sinners.
Joh 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

Sin is the transgression ( violating ) of the law.
1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Those that transgress any one of the ten, is guilty of breaking all.
Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Catholic Press, Aug. 25, 1900
"Sunday is a Catholic institution, and... can be defended only on Catholic principles.... From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first."

"It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church."--Priest Brady, in an address at Elizabeth, N.J. on March 17, 1903, reported in the Elizabeth, N.J. News of March 18, 1903.

The Catholic Church is truthful in relaying to the Protestants that the Sabbath is really Saturday and not Sunday. The protestants choose to go along with the Cathloics and keep Sunday.

Those that fail to observe the sabbath as commanded by God, are commiting sin. If you are commiting sin each Sabbath, are you a christian?

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.


SUNDAY, (day of the sun), as the name of the first day of the week, is derived from Egyptian Astrology...Sunday was the first day of the week according to the Jewish method of reckoning [note: the Jews never called it `Sunday'], but for Christians it began to take the place of the Jewish Sabbath in Apostolic times as the day set apart for the public and solemn worship of God. The practice of meeting together on the first day of the week for the celebration of the Eucharistic Sacrifice is indicated in Acts xx,7; I Cor., xvi, 2; in Apoc. 1, 10, it is called the Lord's Day" (Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. XIV, p. 335).

(Father Smith Instructs Jackson). The Catholic Mirror agrees: "The Catholic Church... by virtue of her Divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday" (Sept. 23, 1893). In fact, the Catholic Church's Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome PUBLISHES a book by Dr. Samuele Bacchiocchi, a non-Catholic scholar, which proves this very fact! Its preface is written by Vincenzo Monachino, chairman of the university's Church History department. He writes:

ROMAN CATHOLIC
Stephen Keenan, A Doctinal Catechism, p. 174:
"Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
"Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her—she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no scriptural authority....
"Question: When Protestants do profane work upon Saturday... do they follow the Scripture as their only rule of faith...?
"Answer: On the contrary, they have only the authority of tradition for this practice. In profaning Saturday, they violate one of God's commandments, which He has never clearly abrogated, 'Remember thou keep holy the Sabbath.'"
The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, 3rd ed., p. 50:
"Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
"Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.
"Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
"Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea [c. 363] transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."
Catholic Press, Aug. 25, 1900
"Sunday is a Catholic institution, and... can be defended only on Catholic principles.... From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first."
METHODIST
Charles Buck, A Theological Dictionary, "Sabbath":
"Sabbath in the Hebrew language signifies rest, and is the seventh day of the week... and it must be confessed that there is no law in the New Testament concerning the first day."
Clovis Chappell, Ten Rules for Living, p. 61:
"The reason we observe the first day instead of the seventh is based on no positive command. One will search the Scriptures in vain for authority for changing from the seventh day to the first."
PRESBYTERIAN
The Christian at Work", April 19, 1883, and Jan. 1884:
"Some have tried to build the observance of Sunday upon Apostolic command, whereas the Apostles gave no command on the matter at all.... The truth is, so soon as we appeal to the litera scripta [literal writing] of the Bible, the Sabbatarians have the best of the argument."
ANGLICAN
Isaac William, D.D., Plain Sermons on the Catechism, vol. 1:
"Where are we told in Scripture that we are to keep the first day at all? We are commanded to keep the seventh; but we are nowhere commanded to keep the first day.... The reason why we keep the first day of the week holy instead of the seventh is for the same reason that we observe many other things, not because the Bible, but because the Church, has enjoined it."
EPISCOPAL
Philip Carrington, Toronto Daily Star, Oct. 26, 1949:
"The Bible commandment says on the seventh day thou shalt rest. That is Saturday. Nowhere in the Bible is it laid down that worship should be done on Sunday."
BAPTIST
Harold Lindsell (editor), Christianity Today, Nov. 5, 1976:
"There is nothing in Scripture that requires us to keep Sunday rather than Saturday as a holy day."

Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Society (1975), Chicago, Illinois.
"Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:
"1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man.
"2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws.
"It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible."


5- James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore (1877-1921), in a signed letter.

"Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer yes. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day - Saturday- for Sunday, the first day? I answer yes. Did Christ change the day'? I answer no!

"Faithfully yours, J. Card. Gibbons"


WHO CHANGED THE
SABBATH SATURDAY TO SUNDAY?

Roman Catholic: No such law in the Bible "Nowhere in the bible do we find that Jesus or the apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is, the Seventh day of the week, Saturday. Today, all Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Roman] church outside the Bible." Catholic Virginian, Oct. 3, 1947

"You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctified." James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (1917 ed.), pp.72,73

"If protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath Day, that is Saturday. In keeping Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church." Albert Smith, chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the cardinal in a letter of Feb. 10, 1920.

"Have you not any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?"
"Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her, she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the Seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority" Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism 3rd ed. p. 174

How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holydays?
By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of; and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same Church." Henry Tuberville, An Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine (1833 approbation), p.58 (Same statement in Manual of Christian Doctrine, ed. by Daniel Ferris [1916 ed.], p.67)

"The Catholic Church,... by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.
" The Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.

"Is Saturday the 7th day according to the Bible and the 10 Commandments?"
"I answer yes".
"Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the 7th day, Saturday, for Sunday, the 1st day?"
"I answer yes".
"Did Christ change the day?"
"I answer no!" Faithfully yours, "J. Cardinal Gibbons" Gibbons' autograph letter.
You can continue to believe their lies or you can believe the bible. The choice is yours. There is much mor which you can learn. The choice is yours.

I am not trying to convert you or make you believe anything which is not true. I'm an old dude, I don't have time to beg. You ask. Jesus said ask and you shall receive.

More results www.tomorrowsworld.org Or you migh try Key of David I believe that you should try both and go from there.. Neither will lie to you. Neither will ever ask for money. Neither will ever ask you to believe them. Both will tell you, only believe the bible.

I hope you choose to believe the bible. Have a good day.