Atheist and Believers?

Question

What ever happened to the burden of proof being on the accusers? If you believe that God doesn't exist offer proof, please note that common questions asked don't prove a lack of existence. If you believe that God does exist offer proof and please note that quotes from a religious text doesn't prove existence. And if you can't then maybe you should quit trying to act superior to each other because you both are acting just as stupid as each other. There is almost no difference between the preaching of an Atheist and the preaching of a believer.

None of the arguments giving on each side are concrete just because you place should high faith in it doesn't change that.

Answer 1

AMEN!
You're absolutely right. Both should know what they're talking about...
And yet, some members of both groups can never acknowledge that the other is right!

Answer 2

I think this is a really good post and point made. I agree where quoting verses doesn't necessarily prove the existence of God. That's not to say that there isn't, but I have seen cases where people take a very prejudiced attitude toward those who haven't read the Bible, Koran, or any of the Religious Scriptures.

If people really want to prove the existence of God, they should give more of a Scientific Explanation.

For example, I state that theoretically, you can prove the existence of God as being the Consciousness of the Planet comprised of the 7 Billion Subconscious Minds around the Planet all networked together by the Electromagnetic Field. The Electromagnetic Field functions on the same principles as the Electrical Field in the Human Brain.

Carl Jung came up with the Theory of the Collective Unconscious that complements the Gaia Theory where the Earth is a Planet-Sized Single Cell Organism. Instead of a Plasma Shell Membrane that moves resources throughout its spherical body, it uses Electricity and Data.

The Iron Core generates an Electromagnetic Field that courses through the Limestone and Rock and that Solid Material acts as a Dampening Field. Electricity follows the Path of Least Resistence just like water when it flows through Elements on the Periodic Table. So the Layers of Limestone and Rock act as a "Sedimentary Circuitboard" lending credence to the Theory that the Planet is like a Super Computer as depicted in "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy."

If people are going to preach to me about God, it would help if people say something that sounds halfway reasonable like God being a Digital Image and Human Beings as the 7 Billion Pixels that make up the Digital Image. When you're zoomed in close, it just looks like a bunch of random dots. However, when you zoom out and look at it from a Geological Perspective, you can see the movements of God.

If you tell me that God would be Forest and Human Beings would be the 7 Billion Trees on the Planet that make up the Forest, that sounds so much better than quoting the Scriptures.

It's really unfortunate seeing Religious Believers and Atheists developing animosity toward each other over something as silly as Religion. Science qualifies as a Religion. You can sell people on Science just as you can sell people on Religion. It's all a matter of belief.

Hardcore data that reinforces Scientific Theories is based off of the "belief" that the the Scientific Method been performed on a theory and yielded consistent results. Even Scientific Theories can be changed or turn out wrong if you can come up with an experiment that proves it wrong.

I work heavily with Electricity, Computers, and Software Programs and you can do a lot of things that can simulate "Godhood." However, it's really based off of Science and there's no magic to it because we have Technology that runs parallel to it that showcases how such things are possible.

Answer 3

What are you talking about. If someone claims something to be true with out rational evidence then it is the burden of that person who makes the claim of it's existence. You have adopted a belief that was someone Else's. You choose to believe with out proof, just faith. Why would it be an Atheist job to prove your faith to be wrong. Your the one believing in this faith, and that is faith, fact is an entirely different meaning, and let me tell you something, it is far more difficult to prove the non-existence of something, then to prove the existence of it. I could tell you that Superman exist somewhere out there in the great beyond. You can not prove that he does not exist out there somewhere, because you don't have the ability to search every corner of the universe, but your rational thought process would tell you that he probably doesn't exist. Its all about semantics and how you look at the world or the universe, it's always been that way, and it always will be.

Answer 4

i believe that gravity is really the force of billions of tiny aliens, so small as to be indetectable, pulling mass together. Do you believe that? No? Then offer proof that these tiny aliens don't exist. You can't because they are indetectable? well, i guess that my belief is just as valid as your non-belief.

do you really think that you preaching that these aliens do not exist and me preaching that these aliens do exist are equally justifiable? i admire your motive for asking this question; a lot of times people do get so caught up in the certainty they are right that they ignore their own stupidity. But i'm afraid that you aren't making a good case for the equality of beliefs when insufficient proof is available. if both belief and non-belief are equal when there is not enough proof to be sure, then you have to admit that belief and non-belief about the tiny aliens are equally justifiable stances, neither better than the other.

Finally I think there is sufficient proof against the existence of an all-powerful, all-knowing, good god: the suffering of any being without free will, such as animals or terminally ill children.

Answer 5

The burden of proof falls on the person who asserts a statement that is purported to be the truth, regardless of whether the statement made is positive or negative. If an atheist asserts "There is no God", he has to shoulder the burden of proof as does the theist who asserts "There is a God". Atheists who try to escape the need to provide support for their beliefs by playing semantic games about atheism being a lack of belief in God rather than an outright denial of His existence are being intellectually dishonest, and shows lack of intellectual integrity and substance.

Answer 6

Proof... do you mean something tangible? Prove to me you are thinking something right now. Not possible is it? You've got to look "outside the box". A bird does not know the moon exist (one could argue how I would know that), so does that mean the moon doesn't exist? Like the bird, a human is limited. I'm not religious, but to claim there is without a doubt no such thing as a God, because I haven't seen the proof, would be just plain ignorant.

Answer 7

Since when are atheists the accusers? The way I see it, humanity survived for millions of years without anyone thinking there was a god, till someone came up with the idea, and somehow at some point ever since, they managed to make unbelievers think they were wrong, out of place and crazy.

BTW, though I'm an ignostic, not an atheist, I think there's a world of difference between atheists and believers. While believers are organised into institutions whose scope is to control the world, atheists are USUALLY (I know: not always) just free-thinkers who don't get organised to preach their word.

Answer 8

Weak atheism is the lack of belief in god, not the belief that no god exists. Both strong atheists (those who assert that no god exists) and theists have the burden of proof, however, weak atheists (sometimes known as agnostics) don't have anything to prove. What could we prove?

Answer 9

You never need to prove that there is a God its just common sense , to prove there is no god has no sense at all and who in there right mind would admit something like that , I do not believe in big foot the lockness monster are UFOs and I'm sure not going to waste my time proving they don't exist , that would take a extreme lunatic

Answer 10

The burden of proof belongs to the people trying to prove something, not the people who disbelieve them. If I believe that Saturn has little green men on it, don't I have to prove they exist, rather than you proving they don't? Prove a positive, not a negative. If you have any other questions, feel free to email me.

Answer 11

Yaaay, 4000 points!

Anyway, I don't know where you get this burden of proof thing. Proof must be offered by he who makes the positive claim. Read Karl Popper and infidels.org and you will see that atheists have coherent, well-tested, and FALSIFIABLE arguments.

Christians have variations on the theme "just because."

You really should have done your homework before posting, you just made yourself look like you didn't do any investigating of atheism before posting.