Jesus is not God! (Evidence Inside)?

Question

What do you think? Do you Agree with all these scriptures? AFTER reading the evidence from the Bible (You could even look it up in your own Bible), if you still think Jesus is Almighty God, what do you make of all these scriptures?

(Colossians 1:15) "the firstborn of all creation"

(Mark 10:18) "Jesus said to him: 'Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God"

(Revelation 3:14) "the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God"

(Philippians 2:5-6) "Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God"

(John 8:42) "Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth"

(John 12:49) "I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak"

(John 14:28) "I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am"

(1 Corinthians 15:28) But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him

(Matthew 20:23) this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father

(1 Corinthians 11:3) I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; ...in turn the head of the Christ is God

(John 20:17) I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.

(Deuteronomy 6:4) Jehovah our God is one Jehovah

(1 Corinthians 8:4-6) There is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords," there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him

A lot of people like to ignore facts and just state their own opinions. To those that said those scriptures were taken out of context, you failed to say what these scriptures mean when they are in context. One person commendably did try to explain his disagreement with a scripture (Mark 10:18) but his explanation rightfully didn't make sense for it is impossible to defend the trinity using God's word the Bible.

http://www.watchtower.org/library/ti/article_03.htm

This is in answer to BC, he gave the last answer in this thread.

from the dead" later on in that chapter, it doesn't discredit the fact that he's the firstborn of all creation by Jehovah God.

* (Mark 10:8) Jesus said "no body is good except one, God" ... If what you say about Jesus is true, then why isn't the supposed God holy ghost not good.

* (Rev 3:14) You can see how 20 different translations translate this vers starting with the King James version: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev%203:14;&version=9;

* (Philippians 2:5-6) - Jesus was existing in God's forme because he was a spirit creature.
Question for you:
Does Gen. 1:26 where Jehovah says to Jesus as they were creating humans, "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness", show that all humans are God?

This is in answer to BC, he gave the last answer in this thread.

* (Colossians 1:15) "the firstborn of all creation"
Just because mentions that Jesus is the "firstborn from the dead" later on in that chapter, it doesn't discredit the fact that he's the firstborn of all creation by Jehovah God.

* (Mark 10:8) Jesus said "no body is good except one, God" ... If what you say about Jesus is true, then why isn't the supposed God holy ghost not good.

* (Rev 3:14) You can see how 20 different translations translate this vers starting with the King James version: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev%203:14;&version=9;

* (Philippians 2:5-6) - Jesus was existing in God's forme because he was a spirit creature.
Question for you:
Does Gen. 1:26 where Jehovah says to Jesus as they were creating humans, "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness", show that all humans are God?

This is in answer to BC, he gave the last answer in this thread.

* (Colossians 1:15) "the firstborn of all creation"
Just because verse 18 mentions that Jesus is the "firstborn from the dead" later on in that chapter, it doesn't discredit the fact that he's the firstborn of all creation by Jehovah God.

* (Mark 10:8) Jesus said "no body is good except one, God" ... If what you say about Jesus is true, then why isn't the supposed God holy ghost not good.

* (Rev 3:14) You can see how 20 different translations translate this vers starting with the King James version: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev%203:14;&version=9;

* (Philippians 2:5-6) - Jesus was existing in God's forme because he was a spirit creature.
Question for you:
Does Gen. 1:26 where Jehovah says to Jesus as they were creating humans, "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness", show that all humans are God?

This is in answer to BC, he gave the last answer in this thread.

* (Colossians 1:15) "the firstborn of all creation"
Just because verse 18 mentions that Jesus is the "firstborn from the dead" later on in that chapter, it doesn't discredit the fact that he's the firstborn of all creation by Jehovah God.

* (Mark 10:8) Jesus said "no body is good except one, God" ... If what you say about Jesus is true, then why isn't the supposed God holy ghost not good.

* (Rev 3:14) You can see how 20 different translations translate this vers starting with the King James version: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev%203:14;&version=9;

* (Philippians 2:5-6) - Jesus was existing in God's forme because he was a spirit creature.
Question for you:
Does Gen. 1:26 where Jehovah says to Jesus as they were creating humans, "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness", show that all humans are God?

Answer 1

Only one who is spiritually blind and ignorant would dare to blaspheme both God and Christ Jesus by putting them on equal footing. The Bible is very clear that Jesus is NOT God himself and that Jesus Christ was the very first of God's creations. As you quoted, Revelation 3:14 makes it crystal clear.

To claim Jesus is God is to dishonor both God and Christ, whom the Bible clearly differentiates as two separate and distinct individuals.

It's good that you quote them exactly as stated in the Bible and in keeping with the proper context of the scriptures. Jesus Christ NEVER put himself on equal ground with God and ALWAYS acknowledged his Father as someone greater than he was. Only a Biblically ignorant person would claim that Jesus and God are the same.

Answer 2

First of all, every passage you listed (not including Mark 10) was evidence given to validate the concept of the Triune God. Together, they describe how there is a single God (a.k.a. Godhead), yet among God there exists three divine persons.

The Mark scripture is my favorite!!! It was Jesus' response to a person calling Him "Good Teacher". Jesus gives
the young man the details required for undesrtanding that Jesus is God, Son to the Father person of the Triune God.

Answer 3

i have always believed in the Holy Trinity, in which God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is three in one.

God sent Jesus [think of it as a father sending a son somewhere. the father and son would be considered as one family right?] down to Earth so that the people would be able to accept God as one of them.
A little bit like: "Oh my gosh! God is almighty. but I am scared of him, as he is up there, and I am down here.
Oh wait. Look! That's Jesus! He's a man! A ha! I understand what God is saying now, because Jesus has put God's words into human words."

your Bible quotes do not, i think, provide evidence for your theory.

Answer 4

I'm a Christian and I don't believe that Jesus is God.

He is clearly the SON OF GOD.

The scriptures you provided are enough proof.

I don't understand where people come up with the trinity idea ... The word trinity doesn't even show up in the Bible.

http://www.watchtower.org/library/ti/article_04.htm

http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/2005/4/22/article_02.htm

Answer 5

It's true that Jesus is not equal with God, God the Father, anyway, but Jesus is a part of Him. Jesus is the Son of God and he obeys the Father. Jesus was God, but separate from God.

Answer 6

Jesus sits at the throne with God. what does that mean to you?

Evidence that Jesus IS God (the Son)

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God14 and the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory of the only begotten of the Father)

Answer 7

You did indeed take these out of context; the context is the entire Bible. Many more Scriptures are needed to fill in the gaps. A full and proper answer would be far too long.

* (Colossians 1:15) "the firstborn of all creation"
The context for this is:
Col 1:18 - "And He [Jesus] is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the FIRSTBORN FROM THE DEAD, that in all things He may have the preeminence."
Re 1:5 - "...Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the FIRSTBORN FROM THE DEAD, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood"
Of all of God's creation, Jesus was the first born into God's family.

* (Mark 10:18) "Jesus said to him: 'Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God"
While Jesus was in the flesh he was vulnerable to sin, "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but WAS IN ALL POINTS TEMPTED LIKE AS WE ARE, yet without sin" (Hebrews 4:15). And thinking himself thus vulnerable, he did not consider himself 'good'.

* (Revelation 3:14) "the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God"
Another translation has for 'beginning' has 'originator' (The Holman Christian Standard Bible). Which, as you can see, changes the meaning of the verse substantially. However, with this translation this verse is now in accord with the many other verses that describe Jesus as the one who did all the actual work of creation: "All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made" (John 1:3). When these two verses are seen to cooperate instead of clash, it can also be seen that 'beginning' is not an incorrect translation -- Jesus is the one who began everything --it is just one whose contextual meaning is not immediately clear.

* (Philippians 2:5-6) "Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God"
You seem to have missed the part where, "he WAS EXISTING IN GOD'S FORM," as well as ignored the next verse. If he wasn't God, how is it that he had his form? Angels have the form of angels; humans have the form of humans; animals have the form of animals; only God has the form of God! Before Jesus was conceived, he was God in form and spirit, but he did not 'clutch onto', 'hold desperately', that manner of existence, "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men" (Philippians 2:7). W.E. Vine quotes Gifford's "The Incarnation," who renders and sides with this translation of verse 6: "Who [though] He was subsisting in the essential form of God, [yet] did not regard His being on an equality of glory and majesty with God as a prize and a treasure to be held fast, [but] emptied himself thereof" (Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words; Thomas Nelson Publishers; p.489). Jesus was God, but gave it all up to become human so that he might save us from the corruption of humanity (John 10:15). And then he was restored to his position of former glory as God once again (John 17:5).

* (John 8:42) "Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth"
I don't see how this supports your case, unless you think Jesus was forced to do what he did; rather, he volunteered (John 10:18).

* (John 12:49) "I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak"
Again, do you think Jesus didn't have a mind and will of his own? Rather this, and the above point, shows the unity with which Jesus submits to the one who became the Most High God.

* (John 14:28) "I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am"
Indeed, when Jesus became human, that would, of course, leave God the Father as the most supreme (there being only God and The Word, who was also God, prior to this).

* (1 Corinthians 15:28) But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him
Q.E.D.

* (Matthew 20:23) this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father
Q.E.D.

* (1 Corinthians 11:3) I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; ...in turn the head of the Christ is God
Q.E.D.

* (John 20:17) I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.
When Jesus became human, he forever gave up his original position as co-equal with God. As was shown with the verse in Philippians, the Word (Jesus) emptied himself of his godly attributes. After being born from the dead, he will have regained all those attributes except his co-equality -- he is now and forever more a son; he has put himself totally and faithfully in the care of God the Father forever more, as an example to us.

* (Deuteronomy 6:4) Jehovah our God is one Jehovah
I have recently read a study on the 'oneness' of God. You might find it interesting as well. In brief, in the Hebrew, there are two words for 'one': one in singularity, and one in unity. God, from the beginning (Genesis 1:1) has been expressed as plural (Gods). And the phrase which you refer to was from the Hebrew expressing God unity, not his singularity.
(Study Paper on nature of God at: http://www.ucg.org/papers/NatureofGod.pdf)

* (1 Corinthians 8:4-6) There is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords," there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him
Q.E.D.

Hope this helps (if you really want to know). Read the above study paper, it's really very good.

BTW, maybe you'll notice, this is NOT trinitarian doctrine!

Answer 8

he wasn't nailed to a tree... he became into crucified on a wood go that he carried up a hill in case you have confidence in that rubbish. and spectacular me if i'm incorrect yet are you announcing he became into crucified as a results of fact he believed he became into god and the ruler of heaven? when you consider that is likewise incorrect. he became into crucified as a results of fact he believed he became into the SON of god, and in accordance to the bible he died to your sins. he on no account claimed to be god, nor the ruler of heaven. "seated on the spectacular hand of the father" ie. the ruler of heaven. god. massive difference. i do no longer have confidence in any of that yet a minimum of if i became into to argue something like this i'd make myself sparkling and get my so-pronounced as data good first. additionally muslims are of a completely diverse faith to christians so why the hell would they suspect in jesus?

Answer 9

No Jesus is not God he is the son of God

Answer 10

Spoken like a true JW. Sorry, but you are conveniently excluding a lot of scripture that Jesus said about himself. Your argument is flawed.