Why do fundies insist that everything must have a intelligent creator?

Question

snowflakes are very intricate objects that form via natural processes...
molecules like water and oxygen do not need a creator. Their covalent bonds form through simple chemistry...
even very complex things like animal and plant cells are self-replicating...they may have a 'creator', but it is far from a supernatural deity...their creator is themselves...

To say that complexity proves the existence of an intelligent God is simply foolish and short-sighted

Napoleon: A computer does require assembly. That is just silly. Have you ever seen a Mac occur in nature???...no.

Patrick S: First off 'self replicating'...get it?
Second, the creator that holds the information is DNA. This is a tangible molecule, unlike a supernatural deity.

Answer 1

I think the main problem is human arrogance - we want to believe that anything really wonderful must have come from someone like us (an intelligent creator). It's really a blow to one's ego to realize that mindless (but not random!) processes can do these wonderful things that we intelligent beings cannot.

Obviously the natural world is FAR too complex to have been designed by any intelligence, so the "intelligent creator" hypothesis is simply ridiculous on its face.

Answer 2

I'm not a fundy, but I am Christian. Here's the thing, even if I concede evolution as being how all things got to their current state, and I accept that the big bang was the moment where all things got their start, we're still no closer to where it all came from. The real issue here would seem (at least to me) to be that either everything that is has always been, or everything, at some point, came from nothing. Neither is reasonable, yet those seem to be the options. Now, I know that there are many things beyond our understanding, and perhaps someday science will prove how it all began, but how do we know that the how wasn't by inteligent design?

By the way, I have no desire to see intelligent design taught in schools, not untill someone can make it into a more coherent theory than it is right now. At the moment it is little more than religion in the guise of science.

Answer 3

I just saw the fist question that someone answered to this. Why do people use that stupid analogy about throwing screws and bolts together and it randomly becomes a computer or a machine. That is the most absurd thing that I have ever heard. You can not expect this to happen because the natural laws of the universe does not allow for this. We see snow flakes in nature because this is what happens when the situation is right. For a computer to be created, we as humans must evolve to a degree then the situation must be right as to us being able to build this computer. That analogy about randomly throwing this together is absurd, because some things do not react to each other energetically to create anything.

Answer 4

Then simply explain how life came from non-life through "natural processes". Also, your chemical processes simply recreate themselves, they do not form new (different) life forms. You cannot add complexity/information/data or energy to a system. Remember the law of entropy. Look at the human genome. Each successive generation has MORE genetic malfunctions/mutations/flaws, not less. According to you, each generation should have less genetic flaws until genetic perfection is achieved, yet the opposite is happening.
Why do fundies insist everything must have a creator? We don't. We simply insist the Earth and everything in it (including chemical processes) were created.

Answer 5

Do you believe a watch just formed through natural processes? Why is an intelligent creator not compatible with your ideas? We create things that are very complicated, but you seem to think it's not possible for us to have been created by something far more intelligent than us. If you can't understand it, does it not exist for you? 200 years ago, we had no idea about radio waves, microwaves, solar flares, and viruses. So they did not exist?? Maybe we are all on a journey towards understanding what and who made us as well as how. I believe in evolution, but I think that was how God got want he wanted. I can certainly acknowledge evidences, but what actually puts it in motion... why can I not believe in God.

Answer 6

If the existence of a complex object proves that that object must have had a designer, then the existence of God would prove that God had a creator also. And whoever created or gave birth to God, must have had a creator also and so on, ad infinitum.

Answer 7

It is true what you say of the things of nature (e.g.) snowflakes forming via natural process, animals and plants self-replicating. However, their origin remains unexplained by science. What you have described is their function in their natural order, but not how their origins came to be or how they were implanted with order in their natural function. Animals are self-replicating, but this does not demonstrate their origin. Even if you were to apply infinite regression, there still must be an origin to these things and it must have intimate knowledge of their particular functions. Their origin cannot be like them. It must be something beyond their nature and have knowledge beyond it. And why must this Origin (which we call God) NOT be the same as these created things? Why must their Origin/God have a nature that is beyond theirs?Why must their Origin have knowledge beyond their nature?
Look at it this way. You human nature is grand and spectacular, but you cannot say you created yourself. How is it you created and ordered the involutnary systems in your body (e.g.) breathing, circulation of blood, digestion? These things work without your willing it. You breathe, pump blood, and digest food without ever being conscious of it. So, if you are the creator of yourself, then you can explain how you did it. So, how did you do it? I would love an answer. And since you can reason, how is it you created reason in yourself and made it function this way?
Since you cannot explain these things knowingly and intricately, then you are not your own creator and much less have complete knowledge of yourself.
However, there must have been a source or origin that does know of these things, which we call God. And since God knows God is therefore an intelligent creator with complete knowlege of you and how you function.
One final example, let us say you are a creator (and in a fashion you are; your are a co-creator). Suppose you wanted to create a ship out of wood. Would you not have to be above and beyond the nature of wood in order to form and build the ship?
And so, if someone wanted to create a human being would they not also have to be above and beyond the nature of the human being? Therefore, the intelligent creator must be supernatural (above nature) and not natural itself.
May the Lord bless and keep you. May He let the light of His face shine upon you.
God's and your beast of burden
Fr. john

Answer 8

As soon as fundies find one tiny, little crack in an argument, they scream that the whole thing is blasphemy, and that GOD MADE IT THAT WAY.

Example: Origin of the universe. Many logical people support the Big Bang theory. But since we don't know or can't prove what happened before the big bang, they say the whole thing is FAKE (because of one small gap in our current knowledge) and come to the next "logical" conclusion-- that the magic man in the sky did it.

Clearly, one flaw in our present explanation, and all credit goes to the magic man in the sky.

The logic eludes me.



I think they find it comforting, that every single action has some kind of hidden meaning, and that someone is supposedly watching out for them. Leaving things to chance scares them.

Answer 9

Vanity of Vanity's say est the preacher ,nothing new under the sun .

Same dumb boring questions , Who made the molecules and oxygen , OH it just happened .

The Great Thing about God is he can send 3 feet of snowflakes over an whole city and not duplicate a single one .Praise THE NAME OF JESUS

Answer 10

They don't understand that nature itself, is intelligent. We came into existence BY CHANCE, and chance alone. Why else would there be MILLIONS of empty planets and stars in the universe, serving no purpose whatsoever?

We came into existence from the debris after a planetary collision in our solar system, similar to how the moon formed. No one "magically" tapped their wand, and created all of this.

No one wants to do their research on the matter, so they choose to believe the fiction printed in some book.