God The Scientist?

Question

What makes many fundamentalists laughing stocks is their insistence on applying actual 24 hour days to the creation of the earth and it’s six-day time frame. If they would only comprehend that ‘To the Lord a day is a thousand years and a thousand years is a day’ embrace it to mean God took as long as He needed or He wanted to create an environment to place humans in then accepting the rest of Genesis would be easy.

Science and religion hardly have to be enemies.

To begin with, if God is an all-knowing entity, if God is everything, then among other things He is also the greatest scientist that ever lived. Also the greatest inventor. Could He have actually orchestrated, in His own great celestial laboratory, through trail and error, over thousands or millions of years, each and every thing that populates the earth?

Couldn’t the miracles of today be performed by our doctors, scientists and clinical researchers, all under the watchful eye of the greatest scientist of them all?

Skip, I'm not claiming anything here. I'm asking specific questions. As to wether or not God is an alien that's really a moot point. We consider anything not of this earth an alien anyway.

JT, who says science is ever perfect the first time out. Would you want to travel cross-country in the Wright brothers first airplane?

I said through trail and error. The trail could be continuing, couldn't it?

Answer 1

nope.

if god is a scientist then he is an absolute novice. we have diseases, imperfect bodies, mutations, poisons, poor adaptation to climate change, birth defects, sudden infant death (syndrome) flesh eating diseases, ebola, botchulism and a host of other horrid diseases out there.

not to mention the rank stank of poopy.

i love how you religious types marvel at the good stuff that your god supposedly made yet seem to completely ignoe all the bad things. seriously, let me see through your glasses, i think all you people see are roses, puppy dogs and pretty girls. you completely ignore the bad and credit your laughable god wit hthe good.

of course thats why you have satan....and sin....blame those things for the bad stuff...gotta keep that god squeaky clean.

Answer 2

I'll agree that they don't have to be enemies, but that's where it ends. At best, religion applies a story to the facts. It's possible that the big bang and the creation of the earth are described in the bible, if you squint hard enough. When the time frame was theorized for the creation, cooling, and forming of the earth, the church jumped up and said, "yeah, we know we said that this is the literal word of god, but well...we were wrong. God's days are actually that long". When evolution started gaining a strong hold on logical minds, the story of Adam and Eve became a parable, being told about the first 2 official humans...

Science is mutable. When things are disproven, you move on, finding the truth, and continuing toward a greater knowledge. With religion, when even one thing becomes false concerning the god figure, there's no way to move on...gods become invalid.

I'll take a moment here to explain the reasons that the church proposed micro and macro evolution. When evidence of evolution started to come about, their belief structure was challenged. Rather than admit to this, scholars with spiritual backgrounds asked for the missing pieces, claiming that if it wasn't on a grand scale, it didn't exist. The problem with this arguement is that, the changes made during evolution (macro) only appear as an accumulation of the small changes (micro). Prehistoric individuals from the African region evolved different traits than their South American counterparts...darker skin due to being in plains as opposed to heavy forested areas, etc. The "missing links" are not missing as the church would have you believe. These are the time frames that the minute adjustments, such as the change in a finch's beak size, take place. Microevolution is constantly occuring, the accumulation of which is evidenced in macroevolution. Do some reading on these topics, preferably by non religious (doesn't matter which religion) scientists. Open your eyes instead of plugging your ears with your fingers like children. Change is scary, but must occur eventually.

Answer 3

Again there is an issue - I'd rather believe that a God did it in one day than waste thousand days to create - after all he is almighty. In that sense, if he created man on one day and woman the other day, Did Adam wait for 1000 years for eve to come - Adam apparently lived only for 999 years ya ?

The thing is, at present, Humans are understanding the creation and have found methods of doing something better, so that the imperfect creation of God becomes perfect - even in small ways like inventing a Contact lense for those who loose eye sight. Transplant new organs for those who has failed organs etc.

May be he was a "Jack of everythng but Master of Nothing" ?

Answer 4

Wait, are you saying that there is a god, but that he is just nothing but a really smart alien? If so, how does that differ your view from the fundamentalists you speak of? After all, what is any idea of a god if not the idea of a really smart "alien" being. I guess your main point is that he is not omnipotent, which would differ your view in that case. So, you are saying god is like that episode of ST TNG where Picard is mistaken for a god on some backwards planet cause of his advanced technology and all? If so, then I guess I could concede that there may be alien forces at work in that same manner in our world, and their actions may be part of what we imagine to be god-like actions. Whew. But...I don't think it really matters much anyhow.

Answer 5

Well, according to the Holy Qur'an, which is much more accurate (scientifically and theologically) than the Bible, God created the Universe (including Earth) in six periods of time, not exactly six days even if a day was equal to a thousand years.

Answer 6

If "God" created everything, he is far from being particularly intelligent or perfect.

If "God" was perfect, why did he create such primitive humans?

And, if humans were created in perfection, why has it taken thousands of years to advance to our current primitive state of existence?

Humans are the best proof the bible is a book of mythology.

Response:

We agree that "trial & error" have been used and are still being used. Which means that the "creator" could not have been perfect. Which demonstrates the bible is a book of mythology since it claims "God" is perfect and does not make mistakes.

Answer 7

I agree that God is the Greatest Scientist :)

Personally, I am not a young-earth creationist (I dont believe in the six-24-hour-day viewpoint of young-earth creationists).

I subscribe to old-earth step-wise creation by the Christian God.

I agree with you that True Science and Christianity are not enemies.
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However some forms of science have been hijacked by Atheism.

Atheistic Macro*Evolution for instance, is an example of an Atheistic Conjecture masquerading as Science... See below for detail...
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There is no evidence that proves Atheistic MacroEvolution (without Intelligent Design)...

I used to believe in Evolution. However, over a period of time I have grown skeptical of the claims of Macro*Evolution... this is largely due to the weakness of the evidence for Macro*Evolution, and the fact that the evidence, rationally interpreted does not support the overarching claims made by Macro*Evolutionists...

For scientific and intellectual critiques of evolution, see http://www.godsci.org/gsi/apol/evo/00.html .

Is Evolution a FACT? Not really -- not in the macro*evolutionary sense. See http://www.godsci.org/gsi/apol/evo/evofaq2.html for relevant discussion.
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I find that the vast majority of people who believe in evolution, do so by faith and authority

(faith -- because atheistic macro*evolution is a faith; and authority -- because they believe in the word of "experts" in the field, rather than truly understanding the evidence themselves).

Cordially,
John

Answer 8

Amen. As Galileo said, "But I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them."

Answer 9

i wholeheartedly agree with johnny_zondo.

and will leave you with these quotes from fellow Atheist...Mark Twain:

"If there is a God, he is a malign thug."~Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author

"I cannot see how a man of any large degree of humorous perception can ever be religious -- unless he purposely shut the eyes of his mind & keep them shut by force."Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author


:)

Answer 10

I also believe that science and religion do not need to disagree. In fact, they complement each other. Science explains the "how", and religion explains the "why".