Here is a Question for atheists or agnostics or watev..?

Question

If you supposedly don't biliv in God and think that he doesn't exist...
Why are you so tight on the issue.
Why don't you just leave the matter alone?
Maybe becuase you know he Exists youre just mad that he isnt making things go smoothly fo you?\
If you really don't belive why do you waste your valuable time on the issue that doesn't matter to you.??

Answer 1

Think of it as a Public Service.

It is the moral responsibility and ethical duty of rational people to protect vulnerable minds from being contaminated by Bronze Age myths and willful ignorance. Beyond that, Christianity represents a huge threat to the well-being and survival of our country and to the whole world... and so it must be confronted.

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/Clarkson_RiseOfDomionism.html
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/HistoryOfReconstructionMovement.html

I prefer the term 'Rationalist', or 'Free Thinker', as opposed to 'atheist', or 'unbeliever', since those terms capture more of the people who think that religious beliefs are stupid and irrelevant than the term 'atheist' does. Those terms capture the main reason that people BECOME Atheists... i.e., they have learned how to THINK properly. Once someone learns how to think properly, religious belief is one of the first casualties. Religious belief... particularly the Abrahamic death cults of desert monotheism (Judaism, Christianity, Islam)... simply cannot withstand the glaring light of reason and critical thought. It just evaporates. Poof. The fact that Christians assert and promote such ridiculous beliefs is a clear indication that they CAN'T (or WON'T) think properly.

Rational people recognize that some people who visit this forum are truly, sincerely seeking answers... with an open mind (willing to honestly consider alternative possibilities), and with intellectual honesty (willingness to freely question and doubt their own presumptions). That being the case, it is the MORAL OBLIGATION of rational people to HELP them keep their minds open, and to make them aware of some of those alternative possibilities. Inevitably, those alternative possibilities DO NOT include things like a terrarium earth, talking snakes and donkeys, demons, friendly spirits, evil spirits, walking on water, multiplying loaves and fishes, people raising from the dead, stopping the sun in its tracks, parting seas, people being bodily sucked up into heaven (which, by the way, lies on the other side of the sky), world-wide floods, creating people from dust bunnies and ribs, magical trees of knowledge, gods speaking from burning bushes... and ritual cannibalism by eating god in the form of a cracker.

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"A thorough reading and understanding of the Bible is the surest path to atheism” ~ Donald Morgan
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So, when someone comes along in a PUBLIC FORUM, regurgitating dogmatic slogans, and the myths, superstitions, fairy tales and fantastical delusions of an ignorant bunch of Bronze Age fishermen and wandering goat herders, and declaring them to represent some kind of cosmic 'TRUTH' (without the least bit of credible evidence)... well, by golly, that just HAS TO BE confronted.

All faith-based religious belief is fully deserving of all the scorn and ridicule that can be heaped upon it. It is a simple matter of people with rational minds having a moral obligation to stand in opposition to willful ignorance. It is quite necessary that this be done, if we are to have any hope that the human race will survive and evolve to meet its full potential. So, when these myths, superstitions, fairy tales and fantastical delusions are presented and declared to 'TRUTH', in the venue of a PUBLIC FORUM, a confrontation is inevitable.

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"I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do."  ~ D. Dale Gulledge
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In order to have a rational view of the universe, it is necessary that one possess the mental faculties that facilitate reason, logic and critical thought. The things that are entailed by Christian beliefs demonstrate, beyond any doubt, a lack of those capabilities. Christians do serve a useful purpose on this earth, though... as a classic 'bad example'. They obligingly provide assertions about impossible happenings and circumstances, and magical delusions, and glaring misconceptions about science and nature and the universe... which can then be rationally confronted and exposed, and their preposterousness revealed.

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"The god who is reputed to have created fleas to keep dogs from moping over their situation must also have created fundamentalists to keep rationalists from getting flabby.  Let us be duly thankful for our blessings."  ~ Garrett Hardin
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Again... rational people are not trying to convert Christians... we are trying to protect people FROM Christians, and the insidious mind killing delusions and willful ignorance which they seek to spread, as if they were some kind of organized, dogmatic insanity virus.

However, rational people DO respect everyone's right (in the privacy of their own minds) to delude themselves in whatever fashion they deem fit.

Science, logic, reason, and critical thought have long been regarded (by religious people) as the enemies of religion. Considering that those are the tools of highly intelligent people, it should not come as a huge shock to learn that intelligence (or lack of it) has some connection to religious belief. In fact, there are about 40 studies, conducted over the past 80 years or so, that reveal a statistically significant NEGATIVE CORRELATION between intelligence and religiosity. In plainer language, that means that they found that the more intelligent a person is, the LESS likely that person is to be religious... or, reciprocally, the LESS intelligent a person is, the MORE likely that person is to be religious.

If you think about it, those findings make a lot of sense. Intelligence tests mainly provide an indication of reasoning ability and problem solving ability... logic, reason and critical thought. These are the very qualities that see through religion, and recognize it for what it is; i.e., religion cannot survive the glaring light of reason and critical thought. This was well understood by important figures in religious history. This is why the early church destroyed all the 'tainted' (non-canonical) writings, which were in conflict with dogma... Greek philosophy, medicine, mathematics, astronomy, engineering... all the good stuff. By this means, Christianity dragged humanity directly into the Dark Ages.

Just to illustrate the point, let's see what Martin Luther, the 'father' of protestantism, had to say about 'reason' and secular knowledge:

"Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees must be put out of sight and ... know nothing but the word of God." ~ Martin Luther

"Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but -- more frequently than not -- struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God." ~ Martin Luther

"There is on earth among all dangers no more dangerous thing than a richly endowed and adroit reason... Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed." ~ Martin Luther

"Reason should be destroyed in all Christians." ~ Martin Luther

Christianity is essentially a criminal business enterprise... in fact, it is the world's longest running and most successful Multi-Level Marketing (MLM) scam. The product they are selling is the illusion of 'salvation'... and the 'pay plan' doesn't kick in until after you're dead. Meanwhile the victims (having been deceived into believing that it is their God-given duty) are out there recruiting MORE victims. What a racket! FORTUNATELY, it only works on those who are gullible enough, and sufficiently lacking in critical thinking skills, to fall for it. UNfortunately, THAT accounts for about 75% of the population of the USA. (There are a lot more people who DON'T know how to think properly than there are people who DO know how to think properly.) That is why there are a lot more religious people in the USA than there are 'Free-thinkers'... including Atheists. Also, Christians are generally too dense to realize that proselytizing (spreading the 'good news') is a key element of the Christian MLM MARKETING PLAN, which was instituted after Christianity lost the political power that had previously allowed them to simply torture and kill anybody who did not comply. Now, they attempt to just pester people to death, through persistent obliviousness and obnoxiousness. If you stop to think about it, you will realize that Christians are very much like the Borg, on Star Trek Next Generation: "You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile." I would not be surprised to learn that thoughts of Christianity provided the 'creative spark' for the Borg concept.

Interestingly, statistics on supernatural beliefs count the USA on a par with backward, developing Third World nations, rather than among modern, advanced industrial powers.

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"Selling eternal life is an unbeatable business, with no customers ever asking for their money back after the goods are not delivered." ~ Victor J. Stenger

"Businesses may come and go, but religion will last forever, for in no other endeavor does the consumer blame himself for product failure."  ~ Harvard Lampoon, "Doon" (paraphrase)

http://www.religioustolerance.org/reconstr.htm
http://home.ca.inter.net/oblio/home.htm

Answer 2

First, I don't answer questions based on scripture from christians nor do I answer when they say christians only. I answer when it is left open for anyone or when my opinion is directly asked for such as this.

I studied comparative religion in college, I find it interesting form a sociological standpoint. A place like this gives one a very interesting look at sociology. Just because I am here does not mean I secretly wish to believe in deities or I'm peeved because someone thinks my life is going badly (which it certainly isn't).

The issue of religion does matter to me greatly.. I'm a voting American. Despite the first amendment, religion in this day and age is more of a part of our supposedly secular government than it should be. Since I have to live within that government, and as an atheist it is supposed to represent me as well as the christians, muslims, jews, pagans and many other belief systems I will keep up with issues affecting that.

Answer 3

Religion is in my life whether I like it or not. If religious people would leave their religion out of our government, I would be fine. But that's not the case. Religion is constantly forcing itself into government, trying to tell me who I can marry, what rights I have, what information students are taught. It's disgusting. There's a place for religion and there's a place for government, but many religious people want to force their religion into government. It annoys me because a religion that I don't even believe in is trying to control my life.

Stop speculating, it's inaccurate. I don't think a god exists and I never have. The only reason I waste my time on religion is because I can't avoid it. Religion is everywhere.

And "atheist" literally means without god. The only thing all atheists share is lack of belief in a god. Atheists and agnostics are the same, but, some atheists fit into the description of "strong atheist" and believe that no god exists. A weak atheist, however, one who does not believe that a god exists, is justified in his beliefs as a person who believes that no leprechauns exist.

Answer 4

Agnostics for the record do believe in God. It is Atheists who do not believe in God, and the reason they do not believe in God is because they believe it is a waste of time to believe in something that cannot be seen. Who or what is God? How come some have seen God and others have not? Atheists ask these questions. I am not one, but I know people who are, and they do not believe in God because they think it is was pointless. They do not see God. Is that a crime. I do not think it is. If they do not want to believe in God, that is their choice. They should not be punished for not being able to see God. I question the beliefs and religions of the world as well. A lot of it makes sense and a lot of it does not.

Answer 5

Well sadly enough they have lumped religion and spirituality in to the same section. I am agnostic, agnostics don't believe that there is no God, agnostics believe that they don't know if there is a God or not. There is a big difference, religion has nothing to do with spirituality, no matter what you think. Spirituality is free thought on what you think might be going on. Religion is the adopted idea of what is going on from someone else. Agnostics and Atheists are very spiritual people. Maybe it is you who hate that fact about them.

Answer 6

Because all religious preachers just pump their one theory (God exists) down our throats.

When the science community makes a discovery or modifies a theory they publish a paper for all to view, speculate on, and debate. Invariably such discoveries open up our simplistic minds and expand our horizons. Examples would be the works of Einstein and Hawking, to name a very small sample.

So why do preachers have to continually pump their one theory (God exists) down our throats. Why do they stand on street corners and hand out leaflets, yell at passers by, gather huge crowds and push unsuspecting victims over in the belief they will be cured of whatever mental or physical ailment invades them, if they just believe in the theory of God.

Why can’t the believers of religious theory just behave in a decent manner, in much the same way as the scientific community does. The answer to all of these questions is simple. They know their theory of God is wrong, and saturation mental and verbal bombardment is the only way they can convince people, and they do it directly or indirectly for money.

The issues matter because other innocent gullible minds, particularly children, read the type of rubbish you post. We need smart kids, not dumb violent children who believe in a God.

It’s a statistical fact that the higher your education, income, and intelligence, the more likely you are not to believe in a god. For every college student that converts to a religious belief system, 17 college students convert to atheist beliefs.

Atheists have an average intelligence of 25 IQ points above their Christian counterparts. It’s no wonder why the USA (75% Christian) is so arrogant, aggressive or violent towards others in this world.

Answer 7

This answer is not meant to be from a Believer or Non-believer perspective, rather from a general point of view. Both sides go to great lengths; believers trying to group "stray sheep" be the stray sheep either believers of another faith or non believers. On the other hand non believers who are convinced that the blind sheep are really the faithfull through a long process since birth where they have been brain-washed and just are trying to make them see the light through the thickness of faith-embezzlement. For both sides the issue is important.

Answer 8

The answer is obvious. In America, Hellfire Christians are constantly trying to push their snake oil mentality on the rest of society (or the "non-believers").

They want legislation to curtail the rights and freedoms of non-Christians. They support censorship in the media of anything they deem anti-Christians whether it's real or imaginary. They want to teach our children (not just their own) that "Intelligent Design" is a viable theory when in fact it's not a theory at all and has no basis in science or logic.

Hellfires judge others with reckless abandon, throwing stones in glass homes, never realizing that their natural and admitted tendency to be "sinners" goes far beyond pleasing "God". In other words, Hellfires have a tendency to blatantly disrespect the non-Christian world around them.

You stay on your side. I'll stay on mine (so to speak). Until then, us "non-believers" will continue to fight Christian intolerance and bigotry.

I hope this helps :)

Answer 9

for clarification, Atheists can really only become Atheist after they have studied every religion and decided that none fits their personal philosophical system. if they have not done this, they are essentially Agnostic, which means they haven't made up their mind, but still believe in spirituality, at least somewhat.

I'm Agnostic, but I still believe there is a higher power; I believe in God, I believe in Mother Nature, I believe in deities, and I believe in a poly-theistic philosophy. I really dont' limit myself to anything, but I just haven't really found what's perfect for me yet, which is the case with many Agnostics..

Answer 10

Maybe it's because people are always asking them and accosting them because they don't believe in a supreme being taking a personal interest in each of our daily lives. If one is unable to defend themselves with a clear logical answer then they are just written off as crazy. So people prepare answers for that very reason. Or maybe it's because they don't know whether or not they believe and are thus trying to find out for themselves what they believe. Your question is awfully vague as to just what you're trying to prove.

Answer 11

Agnostic means that you belive in god but don't follow any organized religion. I am agnostic and I come on this site because it makes me really sad to see supposed belivers being so biggoted and full of hatred and fear towards people who don't think exactly like them.