Excuse me, comparing 6000 years ago to 21 century stanards is wrong? Why?

Question

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, just this has been a bone of contention for some time now. To say that the laws in the old testement don't apply anymore, why are people saying this. This is God's laws aren't they, God's standards.

And please don't misunderstand me, I am an atheist, I don't believe in God's standards, so I reject the Old and New Testement as a basis of morality.

But I'm reading people who are saying that the Old Testement morality doesn't apply, and we shouldn't compare these people with 21st century standards. But why would God have two different standards for his creation.

Just asking,

Answer 1

>>>Excuse me, comparing 6000 years ago to 21 century stanards is wrong? Why? ... To say that the laws in the old testement don't apply anymore, why are people saying this. <<<

Nobody's saying that Old Testament law and Old Testament morality don't apply anymore.

Owning slaves, which was approved of 6,000 years ago, isn't allowed today. That's called human progress.

But you don't seem to want to allow for that human progress. That's why you asked about owning and selling slaves today, because 6,000 years ago people did it.

And let's face it -- you posed your hypothetical question about owning slaves today for no other purpose than to try to discredit religion and the Bible.

That's because you know perfectly well that slavery is not acceptable today, but was acceptable to ancient people.

You know this, and you know that this difference is simply the result of human progress -- but unfortunately, it became for you a rock which you could throw at a concept (religion) that you have no use for.

Answer 2

um Clinton is a Cristian
"But why would God have two different standards for his creation."
Its not the morals that are different sure he was a little harsher in the old testament but the morals are exactly the same. Love your fellow man and over all be a good person. Plus your an atheist so why the fork do you even want to know. Just remember Jesus loves you and you can invite him into your life whenever you want to. Oh and i also believe atheists shouldn't celebrate Christmas IF you don't BELIEVE in him I BELIEVE you shouldn't have the joy of the season.

Answer 3

God's standards and what he expects of his people has never changed since his son gave his life as a sacrifice so that the rest of us could live.

This system continues to worsen with each passing day, and Satan continues to influence the world along with his demons. People either choose to follow a moral path, or an immoral path. The standards have not changed, the people have.

And regarding some other people's Christmas and Atheism comments, Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus, period. It is a holiday with pagan origins dating back to the Roman sun god Sin, and was transformed by religious leaders through the years to be celebrated as "Jesus' birthday". If you ever do crack a bible and read it, you will never find Christ's birthday anywhere. When Jesus was born, the shepherds were in the fields with their flock, and yes, it is freezing and the rainy season in Bethlehem in December, so why would they be out during that time of the year? THERE IS NOTHING TO SUPPORT IT BIBLICALLY! Christmas is first and foremost a commercialized holiday. An atheist celebrating Christmas would not encroach on their anti-religion views, since this holiday has nothing to do with Christ.

Answer 4

Statements that the standards set in the Old Testament do not apply is not quite correct. Jesus said the He came to fulfill the Law. That means that His teachings are the Gentiles version of the Old Testament Law. Still we should attempt to uphold the 10 Commandments, but all that Jesus did for us in dying for our sins, erased the need for all the blood sacrifice and such.

I truly hope you are looking for a real answer and not just an arguement.

Answer 5

The bible was written a long time ago for a different people. god? It was the upcomming churches that had the bible written so they could control the people and steer them with fear of damnation. In that way they got richer and the people got poorer.
Morality should be the way of life by the choice of heart not by the way of fear. Tell me what you learned about morality in the white house? You were to be an example of Morality yourself. Does this ring a bell?

Answer 6

Dear Former Presidet Clinton"
When God made his promise to Abrahm, since there was no one greater for him to swear by, he swore by himself, saying "I will surely bless you, and give you many descendants. And so after waiting patiently, Abraham received what was promised. Men swear by someone greater than themselves, and the oath confirms what is said and puts and end to all argument. Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath, God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged. We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, where Jesus, who went before us, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.. Bill how can you not trusted the founder of America,, your Presidency would been longer and more blessings if you had taken that crown with God on your side.. For President Bush he has all the blessings from God,, because he knows God, and he founded his Presidency under God.. "Every Blessings is from God,, he gives it to you and he takes it away from you"...

Answer 7

Why do keep asking questions that require rational thought about a topic that is not rooted in rational thought?

There's no sense to it. All you're going to get are a bunch of BS apologetic responses about how Jesus 'fulfilled' away the old testament nonsense.

Of course, that doesn't explain why they ignore similar commands in the New Testament. No-one since Origen has even payed lip service to the order Jesus gave to christian men to castrate themselves. It's a buffet theology.

Answer 8

First off, I am going to try and articulate what I feel is the best argument; in regards to the notion that the Old Testament morality doesn't apply to today’s 21st Century societal standards. Secondly I'd like to pontificate further for a moment on other general issues of morality. Before I start however, I feel that the argument itself needs some serious rewording because as it is stated right now, it seems to be flawed. I'm not so sure that "morality" is even the issue here.

Instead, I believe many people are trying to acknowledge the fact that culture is an ever-changing and ever-evolving entity. You may find that the explicit codes and standards of ethics that are outlined many times over in the old and new testaments ARE in fact inapplicable; but only in terms of their verbiage and language. I do believe the "morality" behind the somewhat dated and culturally influenced language however, IS still applicable.

I have debated this time and time again and I wholeheartedly believe that there is only one true "moral" code that makes up the foundation of Christianity. It's known to most as "The Golden Rule." This concept is one that does not have to be codified nor preached upon the tops of mountains. Most people develop an understanding of this code well before it's taught to us, and well before we're able to intelligently decide whether to abide by it or break it.

"Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."

This "rule" can be understood, even in the absence of language, religion, or established religious doctrine.

I think it's however very important to recognize that this "golden" moral code is only represented by merely four of the Ten Commandments (#6-9); the rest of which have very little do with morals, and instead have much more to do with codes of worship, religious honor, and the self-suppression of naturally occurring bouts of human desire/emotion. These remaining commandments (#’s 1 thru 5 & #10) are extraneous. They do not seem to even at the very least adequately address personal/collective spirituality. They resemble the words of an authoritarian or king; and are words that one would not expect from an omnipotent, omniscient, and/or omnipresent deity. Actually, I think one could definitely argue that at least the first five commandments are in fact, quite contrary to the representative ideas of a confident, self-assured, selfless, secure, all-loving guardian; no less a deity.

The point that I wish to be made clear is that morals are something we understand at our very core. We can comprehend the concepts of “RIGHT” & “WRONG” at the purest level and very early in our personal/human development. When going about the interpretation of doctrine, I think it’s of absolutely crucial importance that one establishes the cause(s) and the effect(s) (negative & positive) of an action/behavior/ideology. I believe this is the foremost important step in distinguishing between Right & Wrong. Doctrine (especially religious doctrine) in its raw form; without having been intelligently, nor humanely interpreted; can leave vast amounts of room for human error.

If GOD does in fact have a set of standards for its creation, then it only makes sense for said standards to evolve alongside the evolution of its following. Moreover, God ought to evolve equally as its standards and creations do. The human moral code ought to reflect the core human emotional experience. The extremity reflected in 80% of popular Christian doctrine reeks of years upon years of compounded guilt. Rather than reflect a great desire to be “good” or do what’s “Right”, the bulk of Christian doctrine instead reflects an intense FEAR of doing “WRONG.” That guilt and fear ought not be inherited nor revitalized. Religion is complex that way. Morality on the other hand, is quite simple. “Intend to Do No Harm,” “Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You,” & “Actualize All Positive Intentions, Positively.” The kind of imagination required to follow these moral codes is extremely basic.

Answer 9

Only because Jesus said "I've come to teach you a new way, Love one another" I'm sure that's not a direct quote but it's close. I am not religious nor am I tied to any faith. I believe in a Universal Being. but Jesus did supplant the vengeful God with a compassionate One

Answer 10

It is wrong. People has smaller minds 6000 years ago and barely any technology. They could not understand the concept of science and therefore took the "easy" option of thinking a big man made everything.