If God doesn't Exist then...?

Question

The Bible say's God is Love, but if there be no God or creator then "Love" is only a chemical reaction set off by neurons connected to synapes which produce the chemical neurotransmitters in a particular sequence of synapes or secular love. So a truthful Hallmark Card would read: Darling you through a chemical reaction fire up my neurons into connection with my synapes thus creating a chemical neurotransmitter in a very paticulare sequence of synapses through billions of years of evolutions..and I hope you feel the same!Really who could look into the eyes of your children and honestly think..yep just chemical soup..that's what I "feel" for you! In our hearts of hearts do we know it's more than that? Is it more than a chemical chain reaction..or do we believe there is a much deeper connection maybe on a spiritual level?

What are your thoughts?

ddead alive: Wow..you are my new best friend! That was fantastic! I really like the bananna..wow! That was awesome!

Answer 1

Well besides the fact that I would have to say you right write a kick-*** Hallmark. That's hilarious I'm using that line on a girl. No, if God created everything then he created all those scientific Do-hickey words you spouted off too. Think of it that way if you want to, it's easier to make it make sense with my strange and slightly disturbing ideas.

Answer 2

I think people tend to confuse processes with results.

Yes, the experience of love is generated by an electrochemical process. Does that make it any less wonderful? EVERY physical phenomenon (with the exception of gravity...we're not sure about that yet) is generated by electrochemical processes: sunrises, newborn babies, scientific ideas, the taste of ice cream, etc. That doesn't mean that these things are "just" chemical reactions. Looking at human emotions and saying, "It's just a chemical reaction," is a bit like looking at the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and saying, "It's just a bunch of paint".

Does ice cream lose its flavor because we know how it's made? Of course not. Is love any less wonderful, beautiful, or magical because we understand the mechanisms by which it occurs? No way. Increased understanding of the complexity of human emotion should deepen our appreciation for it, not cheapen it.

EDIT: ddead_alive: The Darwin quote is a deliberate misrepresentation. It is an incomplete quote from Chapter 6 of "On the Origin of Species". The entire paragraph reads:

"To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree. Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real. How a nerve comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself first originated; but I may remark that several facts make me suspect that any sensitive nerve may be rendered sensitive to light, and likewise to those coarser vibrations of the air which produce sound."

You can read the entire text of the first edition at the link below, courtesy of the British Library.

Answer 3

Gee Indiana Spunk you asked this same question last week (Love=God, bla, bla, bla). That sure must be a fun game for you to play.

And it seems like, yet again, you have answered your own question (or at least attempted to). However, after looking over your other posts, it appears that you don't actually understand how to write a question since almost all of them, like the one above, are actually statements designed to elicit viewpoints that are sympathetic to your own.

For example, your "question" was allegedly directed at non-believers yet, most of your responses are from fellow Christians.

If you genuinely want to know what atheists think about love, try posting the question like this, "Hey atheists, do you think that your experience of love is different than that of believers?" Then don't add a bunch of rhetorical BS to your question. That would be an honest question (as opposed to another one of your loaded questions).

Anyway, I assure you that there are several billion non-Christians on this Earth (far more then there are Christians) and over a billion of those are atheist. Christians do not have a monopoly on love. All humans can love and feel the same deep bond with those that they love. That is one of the things that make us all human.

Answer 4

Billions of years ago, a big bang produced a large rock. As the rock cooled, sweet brown liquid formed on it's surface. As time passed, aluminum formed itself into a can, a lid, and a tab. Millions of years later, red and white paint fell from the sky and formed itself into the words "Coca Cola... 12 fluid ounces."

Of course my theory is an insult to your intellect, because you know that if the Coca Cola can is made, there must be a maker. If it is designed, there must be a designer. The alternative, that it happened by chance or accident is to move from the intellectual free zone.



Here is another:

"The Banana: The Atheist Nightmare"

Note that the banana...

1. is shaped for the human hand.

2. has a non-slip surface.

3. Has outward indicators of it's inward contents. Green - too early, yellow - just right, black - too late.

4. Has a tab for removal of it's wrapper.

5. Is perforated on wrapper.

6. Has a bio-degradable wrapper.

7. Is shaped for the human mouth.

8. Has a point at the top for ease of entry.

9. Is pleasing to the taste buds.

10. Is curved towards the face to make the eating process easy.

To write that the banana happened by accident is even more unintelligent than to write that no one designed the Coca Cola can.

Test 1.

The person who thinks the Coca Cola can has no designer is:

A. Intelligent

B. A fool

C. Has an ulterior motive for denying the obvious

Now the document that I am referring from states that the eye has 40,000,000 nerve endings and focuses it's muscles approximately 100,000 times a day. and that the eye has a retina that contains approximately 137,000,000 light sensitive cells.

The document continues and states that Charles Darwin stated:

"To suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree" Agreed... it does not have the reference recorded so I do not know if this statement is true or false. But let me get to the point at hand.

If man can not create the human eye then how can anyone in their right mind believe that it was created by chance? In fact... man can't create anything from nothing... we just do not know how to do it. We can re-create, reform, develop... but we can not create one grain of sand from nothing. Yet the human eye... is a mere tiny part of the most sophisticated part of creation - the human body.

Again... another statement which I would have to research and verify if this person actually made this comment:

"George Gallup; "If I could prove God statistically; take the human body alone; the chance that all the functions of the individual would just happen, is a statistical monstrosity."

Now this statement concerning Albert Einstein. This is confusing... why would this man contradict himself? If he stated this... then every other statement that has been quoted at this forum is invalid because the man appears to be speaking from both sides of his mouth. In this statement Einstein is quoted to have said:

"Everyone who is seriously interested in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe - a spirit vastly superior to man, and one in the face of our modest powers must feel humble."

Test 2:

1. Do you know any building that did not have a builder? Yes? No?

2. Do you know any painting that did not have a painter? Yes? No?

3. Do you know any car that did not have a maker? Yes? No?

If you answered "Yes" to any of those statements... please give details:______________________...



Third analogy:

Could I convince you that I dropped 50 oranges onto the ground and then by chance fell into ten rows of five oranges? Logically, anyone with an intelligent mind might conclude that someone put them there. The odds that ten oranges would fall into a straight line is mind boggling. Let alone ten rows of five.

Test 3

Yes or No 1. From the atom to the universe is there order?

Yes or No 2. Did it happen by accident or must there been an intelligent mind?

3. What are the odds of 50 oranges falling by chance into ten rows of five oranges? ______________________________...

To declare that there is no God is to make an absolute statement. And for an absolute statement to be true; one must have absolute knowledge. Here is another such statement: "There is no gold in China."

Test 4 What would I need to have for that statement to be true?

A. No knowledge of China?

B. Partial knowledge of China?

C. Absolute knowledge of China?

"C" is the correct answer. In order for the statement to be true, I must know that there is no gold in China.

Likewise; to state that there is no God and to be correct then you are stating that you are omniscient. You must have absolutely certain knowledge that there isn't one.

Let's say that a circle contains all the knowledge of the universe. And let's say that you have an incredible understanding of one percent of all that knowledge. Is it possible that the knowledge you haven't yet come across, that there might be ample evidence to prove that God does indeed exist?

If you are reasonable, you would have to admit, "Having the limited knowledge I have at present, I believe that there is no God." In other words, you don't know if God exists, so you are not an atheist. You are an "agnostic." You are like a person that looks at a building and doesn't seem to know if there is a builder.

Test 5 The man who sees a building and doesn't know if there is a builder is:

A. Intelligent

B. A fool

C. Has an ulterior motive

In summary: There are plenty of things that we have faith in that we do not fully understand. Most of us do not have a complete understanding that when you turned your computer on as to why it worked. You took a step of faith that turning it on... that somehow that it would work. You accept the unseen electrical waves that appear right in front of your eyes when you type your comments here. We do not see the reason for why the messages appear... because the powers that be are invisible to the naked eye. For them to be manifest, we need a monitor... so we can enjoy the experience of this forum.

God is not flesh and blood; He is an eternal Spirit. Immortal and invisible... like the computer waves. He can can not be experienced unless the monitor is turned on. One should approach the Bible in the same way as the monitor. If it works, enjoy it and if it doesn't, forget it.

Or do you have an ulterior motive? Could it be that the "atheist" can't find God... as a thief can't find the policeman? Could it be that your logic is clouding your good judgment?

Answer 5

Sorry, I can't follow your line of reasoning at all. I love my wife more that I could possibly describe - - and I tell her so dozens of times a day. We are both non-believers, but I don't find it necessary to go through the above.
I don't understand why you should think that a believer's love is in any way different than a non-believer's love.
Whatever you care to think about love, one thing is sure. It has nothing to do with Allah, God, Ahura Mazda, WHVH, or anyone else.

Answer 6

I totally agree that there is much more than a mere chemical connection... and as for those who don't believe there is a God... if you know anything at all about anatamy and physiology and how babies are made and how they form and come to term to be the persons that they become, how can you possibly think that there isn't a God, you can't seriously think that all that is just random stuff?? or accidental? it's much too precise for that.

Answer 7

if you believe that it's all just chemical reaction, then it really puts a damper on human life, doesn't it? i prefer to believe that there is a spiritual dimension to love. good question, i've often wondered about that myself...definitely takes some serious thinking... anyways, anyone who has experienced all the dimensions of human emotion probably has a hard time believing it's all only bunch of chemicals. i mean some chemicals, drugs for example, give you a strong reaction, but there is no direction to it. your spirit gives the direction to your emotion.

Answer 8

Both explanations are true. Yes, we feel what we feel because the chemicals in our body make us feel that way. Yes, we also feel what we feel because we are spiritual beings. I happen to think that all those neurotransmitters are just the spirit telling the body what's going on.

Answer 9

No matter what you'd like to be the truth, it won't change reality one bit. We are indeed just exceedingly complex chemical reactions, the product of unthinking, undesigned natural processes. Atheism is just a refusal to deny the obvious.

Answer 10

If it not a chemical reaction,then how did this god put love in the human brain?

And then you probably say that your character comes from god aswell and not from the brain.