All the holy rollers I encounter seem to be recruiting. The more extreme don't offer an invite that proclaims the benefits of heaven - rather, they threaten what will happen to you if you maintain your evil ways (the infamous blazing fires of hell)
That asks people to not only convert to their line of thinking, but also to ammend their behavior. So let's say they are successful at converting a bunch of heathens to their doctrine. I think you're only looking for trouble if you invite those folks into heaven -- unless their conversion comes with a warranty. what's to say that down the line, these reformed sinners won't get bored, and revert to their former "damned" lifestyle? Do you get evicted from heaven if you fail? Do you have a right to appeal? An angelic tribunal, a demonic defense attorney? It's almost like picking a health plan, they all have their shortcomings.
2006-07-04
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yep... that's how I ended up back down here...answering questions...lol..
2006-07-04 08:45:35
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answered by Ms Fortune 7
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My take on proseltizaton is that anyone "converted" on account of the efforts of a recruiter cannot be a genuine Christian.
It's one thing if you notice a person that lives in peace (these days, how can you not), and you ask that person about his or her faith or the source of his or her peace, and he or she tells you about faith in Jesus (or some other deity) -- and upon that basis you come to share their faith (see John 6:37 ); it's something else altogether if a person comes brandishing a Sword (what they imagine is "the Word of God") at you.
I think it was Solomon who said that every man is righteous in his own eyes. He was pretty sharp about a lot of things.
Christian theology holds that it is impossible for a person to lose his or her salvation on account of any action or inaction (or combination of actions and/or inactions) on the part of that person ( see John 6:37 ) or any other person ( see John 10:28-29 ).
in essence, the "Salvation Agreement" relies on the principle that God is omniscient with respect to the characters and "issues" of individuals, and that God is in offering Salvation acting in good faith towards the recipient of the offer, and that God assumes the sovereign right of enforcing the Agreement.
From this, we have the observations of Ephesians 2:8-9 (Salvation is a gift, from God to man) and Romans 11:29 (For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance).
See also my answer at ( http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=As1LRWAfXD4dKZUf7E.SQ2rsy6IX?qid=20060704095921AAYOj8K )
It is the appreciation for the price with which we are bought -- the sacrifice of the only Son *begat* by God (we are adopted children, joint heirs with Christ) -- that translates to remedial (helpful, curative) behavioral modification.
For us each, there is a learning curve: some "get it" more quickly than others; frankly, I put extraordinary effort into trying to master my faith early in my life (and I had the advantage of a 168 IQ) -- but what I now perceive as the real growth occurred more than 2 decades after I accepted God's offer of Salvation, after I had abandoned further theological study.
Organized religion is a trap: no organized religion is interested in getting you to the point at which you should ultimately find yourself: subordinate directly and only to God.
Unfortunately, the journey to philosophical discovery apart from organization is a lonely one, so you might find yourself awkwarly participating in some assembly or other, merely for convenience.
If you're really seeking the truth, and I tend to think you are, I certainly hope that you find it.
2006-07-04 16:46:30
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answered by wireflight 4
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Well, Satan was once the Prince of the Powers of Heaven, the Angel of Light, the lesser Yahweh. He managed to get himself tossed, so I guess there's your answer.
2006-07-04 15:46:30
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answered by UCSteve 5
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With your thoughts and heart that you you do demonstrate how you do not place God above all. This is sad. A legitimate Christian wants nothing more than to praise the Lord - heaven is the best place for that.
2006-07-04 15:44:53
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answered by uspatrioteer 2
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since satans rebellion against God in heaven,its seems reasonable to think that they will not allow anyone in heaven who would have the propensity to do the same thing all over again.we get new bodies in heaven ,but our characters must be perfected here first, since that is the only earthly thing we will be taking with us.
Before God has ever passed judgement on anyone he has investigated the situation,and gave ample time to repent.
Fear God and give glory to Him;for the hour of his judgement is come.
2006-07-04 15:55:05
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answered by norm s 5
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To answer your basic question....if there really is a heaven once you make it there you're set for eternity.
2006-07-04 15:47:12
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answered by daljack -a girl 7
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According to Islam never.
2006-07-04 15:44:47
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answered by lukman 4
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Yep, that's how me and and Ms_furtone got sent here . .
To answer questions . .
for eternity . .
* sighs *
2006-07-04 15:46:56
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answered by Pistaccio 4
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yes Satan the most beautiful and impressive angel did....him or her with their goons
2006-07-04 15:46:52
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answered by kisaparis77 2
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