If man has an immortal soul, how can Paul make the statement he does in Romans 6:23?

Question

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

And how to explain Ezekiel?


Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die......20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die......

enamel, better get off your hobby horse and prove clearly from the scriptures whether or not man has an immortal soul.

Make sure you are not guilty of the following:

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Brother M, so do you think that means man has an immortal soul or do you think that man is a soul? Your quote would seem to support the latter.

Maria, care to try to back that up with scripture?

Answer 1

We have been fed too much Greek B/S.
YHWH God breathed into Adam the breath of life & he became a living soul. You cannot seperate the body From the
breath of life, because thats when you die. Yhwh's spirit/wind
that He breathed into us sustains our life. When we die our
body goes into the grave & the breath of life soul/spirit goes
back to YHWH who breathed it into us.
We do not have an immortal soul unless YHWH makes it
immortal, thru His Son Messiah Yeshua, to put on immortality
I think is to accept Yeshua's eternal sacrifice for us as our own
Ezek 37 the valley of the dry bones, they are as dead as dead can be, when the Ruach, YHWH's Spirit breathes on
them they revive, flesh, sinew & skin come back & they stand
up & are alive.
We are only fully human when our soul has been revitalised,
by the Ruach, & we serve YHWH spirit/soul & body & body,
soul/spirit.

Answer 2

It depends on what you define as 'soul'. The hebrew word for soul is 'Nephesh'. It essentially means the life bound up in the body, transported by blood (See DT 12:23 and Lev 17:11) and also the whole man (Gen 2:7). At death 'it' dies (Numbers 23:10). Nowhere does the 'nephesh' survive outside the body after physical death for its own sake and talk of 'souls going to heaven' etc is a biblical nonsense. One must understand the use of the word 'nephesh' and 'psuche' from a Hebrew perspective as opposed to a Greek philisophical one which the later has polluted christian thought

Answer 3

Think of all them poor peeps who died thousands of years ago...where are they now? Hangin' out, twistin' in the wind, waitin' fer something to happen? Is there some huge lobby type waiting room...like a cosmic doctors office where you are forced to flip endlessly through old subscription magazines like golfers digest or maybe popular mechanics so those ancient souls can keep trendy and wait for judgement, while the new souls arriving there in purgatory adjust to the fact that they are dead physically but somehow still alive in spirit but now...now what? If you are lucky do you get to haunt something? I always hoped that I'd get to haunt my place of work and mess with my co-workers sorta like Patrick Swayze in Ghost. No such luck though. I've discovered that isn't at all what happens. Just as our own goodness can't get us to a "place of warm lights and smiling welcoming faces" our evilness won't "have us carried off by demons to bowels of a black and burning hell". There is no such place such as these. We were created from the earth and we go back down to it when we die...if we are lucky. Some end up incinerated or waterlogged but either way...dirt nap, torched or watery grave...this earth is the final destination until Judgement. Even our dead skin cells become the dust of the earth...just ask any vacuum salesmen what all them little mites eat. Yeah. Only God is immortal so if we don't trust in Him now at the resurrection you might just be given a glimpse of what could have been before being consumed by the fire of destruction. Every knee will bow, every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord! Don't wait...start now. Confess Him now so He can be yours and you can be His on a new Earth with a new heaven where there is no death, sin, evil, corruption or the grave. No myths will save you from scourge...the soul that sins will die unless that soul has recieved the gift of forgiveness and eternal life. Love in Christ, ~J~ P.S. This message isn't for you, Lonestar, but for your loyal readers who may not have this info.

Answer 4

God stated they are not immortal. A residing soul is only a physique with the breath of life nevertheless interior. as quickly as God takes that life tension removed from the physique, it turns right into a corpse; now not residing. The ineffective be conscious of not something. eternal life is a recent granted to the Righteous, on the 2d creation/Christ's return.

Answer 5

the wages of sin is death, means that hell is the second death, the devil has the power to destroy both the body and the soul, but they are indeed immortal, for instance, the memories you have now, in hell, the devil can destroy them and turn them into living nite mares, our soul, is our will, our intelliect and our memories, these live on forever, in eternal bliss or eternal torment, such as remorce regret despare rage hatred. you get the picture?

Answer 6

It might be better to ask - where in the bible does it say we have immortal souls?

Answer 7

The Romans passage is not a problem, all living creatures are destined to die. That is because of sin in the world, and all are born spiritually dead because of our sin nature, inherited from Adam. Sin brings death. It can also refer back to the sacrificial system of the Israelites, death of an innocence was needed to cover the sins of the people, and so Christ, the ultimate innocent being, died for the sins of His people.
In the Ezekiel passage, context matters. If you look at the Hebrew for soul, it has a variety of meanings, depending on the context:

soul - nephesh
neh'-fesh
Properly a breathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): - any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead (-ly), desire, X [dis-] contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.

In that passage, the writer is speaking of all living creatures. If you look at another passage that uses that term, you will see it can mean "living being" or human:

Lev 5:1 And when a person sins, and hears the voice of swearing, and he is a witness, or has seen, or has known, if he does not reveal it, then he shall bear his iniquity.
Lev 5:2 Or if a soul touches any unclean thing, or the unclean dead body of an animal, or the unclean dead body of livestock, or the dead body of unclean swarming things, it being hidden from him that he is unclean and is guilty,
Lev 5:3 or if he touches the uncleanness of man, any of his uncleanness by which he is unclean, and it is hidden from him, and he knows, then he is guilty.

As you see, "soul" is used interchangeably with a "person".

Answer 8

Simple. Our soul is mortal. But we can put a cloak of immortality on our soul by believing in Jesus Christ. Yes, the wages of sin is death. But if we claim the salvation of Christ then God waives that penalty and instead puts the cloak of immortality on our mortal soul at the great white throne judgment.

Answer 9

To die is not just physical.Remember when Satan told Eve if she ate the fruit she would not die? Then she ate it ,and didn't die?But guess what? Her spirit died to sin.That is the need for man to be "Born Again" because of just that incident. When a person on earth who is not saved ,sins and then dies,he dies to God and goes to Hell. He is separated from God....he is essentially dead. The soul in heaven lives forever in God's light.

Answer 10

I believe you are highlighting the obvious, RELIGION is BULL$HIT!