show me Christians that we HAVE to be dammed to hell in need of Savior to save us?

Question

that God himself will make us sin, to put his son on a cross....show me we are damed from birth...or do you just dame yourslefs.

Answer 1

Only God can show you that answer, it can only come from the Holy Spirit. How would you propose I "Prove It" to you?
Can I capture sin and show it to you? Obviously not. But I can ask you to examine your heart and look for all the things you have done, or are now doing, that you know to be wrong.
Especially the things you have done to purposely hurt other people. The things you now regret and wish you could take back. The things that make you feel ashamed and embarrassed. Then consider the consequences yourself and others have had to endure because of your lack of judgment at times. Dwell on these things and notice your heart becoming heavy, burdened with guilt and remorse.
Why do you think your body reacts this way to these thoughts?
Do you know? It is because God has written His commandments on the heart of every human being, in our conscience, in our minds, we feel guilt because God is letting us know that we have sinned against Him. Guilt and shame are an inexcapable consequence of unforgiven sin. It affects our spiritual and physical body because the two parts are of us are in co-existense with each other. Without our bodies, we would not feel physical pain, without our spirit, we would not feel spiritual pain. Both aspects of our being are real and created by God to help us navigate through this world and eventually join Him in His world. Your own conscience is your best proof of Gods existence. As far as anybody damning anyone, satan is the accuser, he is the one that damns us, mostly through causing us to forsake God. God does not damn anyone, He forgives us and loves us more than we can possibly know or understand. We may give our lives for our child or our spouse, perhaps even our best friend. But God gave His life for all of those, plus He did it for complete strangers and also for those who hate and despise Him.
That is Gods love, totally unconditional, based on His love and what He has done for us, not on what we have done for Him. I hope this explanation helps you. God Bless You...

Answer 2

It seems to me that several concepts or principles are confused in your question. I don't mean to poke holes.. just pointing out some areas where perhaps more reflection and understanding is needed. 1) You seem to think that if one thing is true, then the opposite must also be true. This is not always the case. Sometimes, something can't be undone, once it is done. 2) Seems like you confuse the general with the specific. Sometimes, what is applied or said in general, does not always hold true to the individual. 3) Most of your comments, as I find with most people who have issues with Christianity, are actually arguing against Protestantism, typically a more Evangelical perspective on Christianity. 4) Perhaps this question suffers from an overly simplistic concept of Justice such as God could just merely say "believe in him as savior" and not actually have Jesus suffer any punishment. 5) A seemingly black n white concept of our Freewill vs. God's will and that the 2 can not work together. 6) That it is his will to condemn us. 7) That grace and our own actions are in contrast to each other.. a very Evangelical perspective on the issue. Anotherwards, if some things don't make sense... perhaps it is your own understanding which is the issue, NOT the actual concepts. For instance.. if I don't understand a topic, even when my Teacher tries to explain it.. do I assume that the teacher is wrong? that the subject is flawed, OR do I continue to assume that it is ME who isn't getting it? ______________________________________... I'll say this... God's will is for all to be saved. However, he gave his creations the free will to decide on their own, if they wish to cooperate with his plan for Humanity as a whole, and individuals more specifically. One's WILL is not action, is not a plan, but merely what your mind/soul desire and your ability to know this and then formulate that into a plan. But the plan and action are actually separate from your will, though all 3 are related. His overall plan for humanity, therefore is a complex and works with both our cooperation as well as our definance. Both working towards a master plan, a final outcome.. which we ourselves don't know.

Answer 3

Calm down...no one is damning you to Hell. We all sin in one way or another...don't even look at it as "sin," since that may be considered a Christian word. We all do things that we feel are wrong after we do them. We are born with feelings of regret, curiosity, lust, etc. We do things that are not right because we know they are not or society tells us they are not. Just about every religion has a "Golden Rule" in one form or another and it is to treat others as we would like to be treated. You live your life the way you feel like because that is free will, which each of us are blessed with. You have to account for your actions to yourself and others and for those who believe in religions...they also believe that they must account for those actions to someone else...be it God or gods/goddesses, spirits, nature, the cosmos, our ancestors, or whatever. I don't care what religion you are or aren't but I do care how you act/treat people, that is what is important.

Answer 4

you obviously don't know what your talking about. The only way we go to heaven is by believing in god and accepting him as your savior. thats it, not too difficult. if you don't, you are damned to hell. it says so in the bible

Answer 5

Quit sniffing glue! It destroys brain cells!!!

BTW it's spelled d-a-m-n-e-d. T-r-y s-p-e-l-l c-h-e-c-k n-e-x-t t-i-m-e.

There is an old Yiddish saying:
"Never argue with an idiot, passers-by may become confused as to who is who!"

Answer 6

1. you do not have to be damned
2. we have Jesus as Saviour , only if you want Him
3. God never tempts you to sin, only you can do that!
4. Jesus went to the cross of his own free will
5. We are all born and we will all die, it is the Salvation of Jesus that will raise us up again from the grave
6. No we ALL were once Damned, But I thank God that He saved me from my ugly and hateful sin

Answer 7

"For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ."Romans 5:17

Answer 8

God doesn't make people sin. He doesn't tempt man, and God's Son was God Himself, so God wasn't being cruel. He opposes human sacrifices after all. Lastly, humans are born in sinfulness, and you can annalise this by observing a child's selfish behavior.

Answer 9

We are all prone to sin because of the Fall of Man in the Garden of Eden. Christ's death on the cross opened the merits of salvation by the sacraments.

Answer 10

You prefer to believe you are absolutely righteous or that God is not?