You accept Jesus as saviour, that still does not make you not sinful?

Question

Example you accept Jesus as your saviour and you do good deeds but sometimes made some mistakes that might be sinful like having sex without being married.

You then are accepted to Heaven. Outside the door of heaven, you are who you were the same as you left earth a second before. Once you enter heaven, you are the same as when a second before entering heaven from outside the gate. You see?

So, basically, you were the same self when you were a sinner on earth and you are basically the same person of mind when you enter heaven. The same old sinner that you are.

So, why does accepting Jesus suddenly make you no longer a sinful person or of such sinful nature?

Unless, your mind has been somehow altered like being a robot or reprogrammed only to obey God. You should not have free will because if you do then there is always the chance you could be sway to do things against God like any of those fallen angels with free will.

Believers think they are perfect sinless inheaven

Don, you many good points but believers do not accept logical thoughts.

I think most believers believe God created humans to be good enough for this God and that God did not create humans to be perfect like a Jesus who is sinless even if he wants to sin.

Now, can a God do a deed that is sinful even if God wants to commit a sinful act? The answer should be YES. Since a God is perfect and mighty powerful, God can do anything he wants to including committing an act of evil.

The problem is believers claimed God cannot do anything evil because he is perfect so that leads to a God that cannot do evil even if he wanted to do something evil. Major contradiction if you ask me.

If God indeed can commit an evil act if he so choses then this God is no more or less than humans who are sinners. By his actions from the bible, this God seem to have committed many evil acts like drowning babies, blinded , disabled.

One more example of an evil GOd or sinful nature of a GOD. If God is sinful then how can God take away your sin?

God is sinful because God is asking humans to either worship him or else he tortures you for eternity. Now, if this is not evil nature of God then what is? God is forcing humans to bow to him and worship him for eternity. What if humans only worship him for 1 million years instead of eternity? Eternity means infinity not a million years or a billion years but infinite.

So, you can a sinful nature cannot be erased even for God because the nature of sin is due to one'e behaviour. In this case for God is he demands humans to worship him for eternity if they refuse to do so.

To torture them given them only two choices is evil. To give others two choices is evil no matter how one look at anything. One is to love them forever and the other is obey forever. Like saying if you don't obey me I will torture you forever.

This kind of behaviour does sound more like evil.

Let me explain again, if God has a sinful nature like demanding humans or angels to obey or die or torture for eternity. This action alone is an evil action.

Another example, if someone tells you that you have two choice. One is to obey him and he will give you everything he owns and the other choice is if you don't obey him he will kill torture you till you are of very old age. Is this not an evil act or have an evil nature? I mean that entity demanding to give you those two choices. Isn't this person having an sinful or evil nature himself?

Let honest please and have an open mind like a human being.

Now, you agree now God also do have an evil or sinful nature? If so then how does a God erase your sinful nature if God also has the same sinful nature?

You see my point? The only problem is you refuse to accept your God has any sinful nature. By his acts determines if he has sinful nature or not. By HIS actions one can tell.

Now, you agree now God also do have an evil or sinful nature? If so then how does a God erase your sinful nature if God also has the same sinful nature?

You see my point? The only problem is you refuse to accept your God has any sinful nature. By his acts determines if he has sinful nature or not. By HIS actions one can tell.

Answer 1

The first thing that someone should be considering is whether the idea of sin is actually real.

If God is supposed to be perfect how could She have made anything or anyone that wasn't perfect.
Think about it. The idea of sin assumes certain things about God that seem highly unlikely.

First it assumes a God who is too incompetent to organize a simple educational field excursion and figure out a way to get all of the students home safely.

How likely is this that God would not be smart enough to come up with a plan for our salvation that is going to work 100 percent of the time?

It also assumes that God must have created us imperfect if we are sinners.

One might assume that God would be able to create someone perfect each and every time if he chose to. Assuming God is capable of this, then it follows logically that we must be perfect creations if we are actually creations of this perfect God.

Unless of course you are saying that God chose to create us imperfect.

If God created us imperfect then anything that may go wrong is Gods fault, not ours. This seems a bit illogical at best so I think that we need to assume that What God creates would have to be perfect.

If this is the case and Gods creations are perfect, then nothing that we can do could change what God created perfect and make it imperfect unless we think that we are more powerful than God is.

How likely is it that we the creation could be more powerful than the creator. I personally find this idea somewhat amusing, and a bit absurd.

Religion tells us that God is perfect. If this is true then it could hardly be logically for Gods creations to be considered to be anything less than perfect.

If this is the case and we are perfect creations of a perfect God then Nothing that we can ever do could possibly change this perfection that God willed, unless we were so powerful that our choices could override and change the will of God.

How likely is that????

Think about it.

Love and blessings
don

Answer 2

Oh my goodness, no!

No believer thinks they are sin-free. Not even the Pope thinks he is sin-free. He'd be the first to admit that he is a flawed and miserable sinner.

I think the text is Romans 3:23, that all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory. Basically what that's saying is "we're all in the same boat, none of us are perfect compared to God" and there's really no point in judging anyone else.

Beyond that, as far as Heaven goes - it's not after physical death that we "go to Heaven." Heaven can be right here, now. But the idea is to look to Christ as an example of living a God-filled life right here and now, and when we do that, we experience heaven. We "die" to our old selves and rise in glory.

It's not quite about that whole afterlife thing, really...

Answer 3

I am a Christian. Meaning I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior.
I am not all of a sudden perfect nor will I ever be on this earth, however I am forgiven., and I am no longer known as a sinner. If you read the Bible you will find that once we accept Jesus we are no longer known as sinners, but saints. When Jesus talks to His disciples and says to pray for all the saints He is talking about us (His followers)
Once we are in Heaven there is no pain, sorrow, suffering, or SIN.

Answer 4

In Christ, we are united to Him and no longer slaves to sin (Romans 6:5-6); made alive with Christ (Ephesians 2:5); conformed to His image (Romans 8:29); free from condemnation and walking not according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit (Romans 8:1), and part of the body of Christ with other believers (Romans 12:5). The believer now possesses a new heart (Ezekiel 11:19), and has been blessed “with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus” (Ephesians 1:3).

We might wonder why we so often don’t live in the manner described, even though we have given our lives to Christ and are sure of our salvation. This is because our new natures are residing in our old fleshly bodies and these two are at war with one another. The old nature is dead, but the new nature still has to battle the old “tent” in which it dwells. Evil and sin are still present, but the believer now sees them in a new perspective and they no longer control him. In Christ, we can now choose to resist sin, whereas the old nature could not. Now we have the choice whether to feed the new nature through the Word, prayer and obedience, or to feed the flesh by neglecting those things and engaging in sin.

Answer 5

God no longer sees you, he sees you in Jesus Christ, who already paid the penalty for your sin.

What is more the Holy Spirit enpowers us to resist sin, and to take on a new life. This process is not complete until we have been given our new incorruptible bodies in eternity.

...and yes our minds are being renewed:

Ephesians 4:22-24
22That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

23And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

24And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Romans 12:1-3
1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Answer 6

the bible says

"Let this mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus "

what mind ? A MIND to the GODS WILL and obey HIM

Yes humans make mistakes , but do they sin everyday
NO!!!

When the SPIRIT of GOD comes in
The HOLY GHOST teaches you and condemns you and shows you what to do, what is right and wrong...

and if GOD is IN SIN is OUT

and if SIN is IN..GOD is OUT

NO ONE can SERVE TWO MASTERS

and if your committing fornication and lieing , stealing etc etc etc.....Somethings WRONG and I can tell you..GOD isnt THERE in IT........
HE has NO PART with SIN

AND THERE WILL BE NO SIN IN HEAVEN
PERIOD !!!!!!!!!!

JESUS' Blood cleanses one of sin , and really Being Saved and born again is an experience not saying a few words or saying there is a GOD....its an EXPERIENCE , KNOWN , FELT , KNOWING..........being BORN AGAIN........

and unless one is BORN again...they CANNOT see the Kingdom of heaven !!!!!!!

Answer 7

We are sinners here on earth because we are human and make mistakes. Christ forgave us our sins when he died on the cross. This does not mean we don't sin, it just means that we are forgiven if we repent. When Christ comes back in the final days, he will defeat the devil once and for all. He will bound Satan up and eventually throw him into an eternal lake of fire. This will be the destruction of sin and death as we know it. We will not be able to sin in heaven because sin will go to the lake of fire with Satan.

Answer 8

Good question, Well accepting Jesus as your savior changes your spirit, not your soul, two different thing. The Bible says that we should constantly renew our minds to become more Christ like. The truth of the matter is, getting saved doesn't change you (usually) It is just a turning point where YOU say that YOU want to change and with Gods help you can.

Answer 9

We all fall short from the glory of God and we can be saved only by the grace and mercy and love of Jesus Christ.

We do not get saved because we are better than others, we are better than we used to be because we let Jesus to save us.

In heaven we do not have our free will anymore, so God's will be done. Heaven is the perfect place.

Answer 10

Yes, Christians here on earth are still sinful.

However, there are a few things going on for them:

1> Their sins are forgiven - i.e. Sins are like debt - Jesus cleared our debt - so no payment necessary
2> They have the Holy Spirit in real-time to counsel and guide them.
3> God will will reprove them and corrects them - like a father reproves his child.