If there were so many translations of scripture in the 2nd century, why do the Catholics make false claims?

Question

Like - "We gave the world the Bible"

The Catholic Church did not form officially until 325 A.D. They did not complete their cannon and translation until a generation later.

The writings of the church fathers and the complaining of Augustine about all the different translations prove that the Bible was very widely distributed long before the Catholics showed up with their Latin Vulgate.

So what is up with the bogus claims of giving the world the Bible. This claim is totally discredited by the facts of history.

Paul M -- Please read some history before you post stuff like that. The New Testament was translated into Latin in the early 2nd century in a version called Old Italia. But the New Testament was Greek.

The churches prior to 250 A.D. used the adjective 'catholic' or common faith as one of two dozen or so. It did not become a Descriptive Noun until 325 A.D. under Constantine.

You really need to check your Catholic Bias at the door, and do some independent unabridged research into History. Church History is not as Catholic as you think.

Answer 1

Here are a few non-biblical proofs of Peter as Bishop of Rome, all of them from before the council of Nicea in 325 A.D.

Irenaeus in 189 C.E.:
"The very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; ... The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate." (Against Heresies 3:3:2-3) http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.ix.iv.iv.html

Tertullian in 200 C.E.:
"For this is the manner in which the apostolic churches transmit their registers: as the church of Smyrna, which records that Polycarp was placed therein by John; as also the church of Rome, which makes Clement to have been ordained in like manner by Peter." (Demurrer Against the Heretics 32) http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0311.htm

Anonymous in 211 C.E.:
"For they say that all the early teachers and the apostles received and taught what they now declare, and that the truth of the Gospel was preserved until the times of Victor, who was the thirteenth bishop of Rome from Peter" (The Little Labyrinth, in Eusebius, Church History 5:28:3) http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf201.iii.x.xxix.html

Cyprian of Carthage in 251 C.E.:
"And although to all the apostles, after His resurrection, He gives an equal power, and says, “As the Father hath sent me, ..., they shall be retained;” (John 20:21-22) yet, He founded a single Chair. That He might set forth unity, He established by His authority the origin of that unity, as having its origin in one man alone. No doubt the others were all that Peter was, but a primacy is given to Peter, and it is thus made clear that there is but one Church and one Chair. So too, even if they are all shepherds, we are shown but one flock which is to be fed by all the apostles in common accord. If a man does not hold fast to this oneness of Peter, does he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he deserts the Chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, has he confidence that he is in the Church?" (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4) http://www.romancatholicism.org/jansenism/cyprian-church.htm

And in 252 C.E.:
"Moreover, Cornelius was made bishop by the judgment of God and of His Christ, by the testimony of almost all the clergy, by the suffrage of the people who were then present, and by the assembly of ancient priests and good men, when no one had been made so before him, when the place of Fabian, that is, when the place of Peter24612461 [On the death of Fabian, see Ep. iii. p. 281; sufferings of Cornelius (inference), p. 303; Decius, p. 299.] and the degree of the sacerdotal throne was vacant; which being occupied by the will of God, and established by the consent of all of us, whosoever now wishes to become a bishop, must needs be made from without; and he cannot have the ordination of the Church who does not hold the unity of the Church." (Letters 51:8) http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.iv.li.html

Eusebius of Caesarea in 312 C.E.:
"As to the rest of his followers, Paul testifies that Crescens was sent to Gaul; but Linus, whom he mentions in the Second Epistle to Timothyas his companion at Rome, was Peter’s successor in the episcopate of the church there, as has already been shown. Clement also, who was appointed third bishop of the church at Rome, was, as Paul testifies, his co-laborer and fellow-soldier." (Church History 3:4:9–10). http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf201.iii.viii.iv.html

More other early Christian writings that refer to Peter as Bishop of Rome, see: http://www.americancatholictruthsociety.com/docs/ecfpapacy.htm

The Catholic Church believes the Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the "rock" of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.

The Pope is the senior pastor of 1.1 billion Catholics, the direct successor of Simon Peter.

The Pope’s main roles include teaching, sanctifying, and governing.

For more information, see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, section 880-882: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt3art9p4.htm#880

With love in Christ.

Answer 2

Actually, the Bible was written in different languages, During the new testaments, the Bible was mostly written in Latin. ST Luke, ST Mathews, If there where some Theologians among us they would give you better proof.
As far as Catholic Church is concerned, we (I am a Catholic) were mostly outlaws. Do you know the time of Nero, lot of Christians where prosecuted. Christians as you should or shall I say Christianity was created by Martyrs starting with our lord who died for us.
The Early fathers who created the Church had to resolve different issues, like The Jew Christians said Christianity was only for the Jews and the Israelites, so for creating a common law, our leaders set different rules. When you read the bible, you see St Paul's letter to different tribes or some of his disciples or other missionaries. These where to guide the people towards unity. I am not saying that the Catholic Church was always right, The Catholic Church has done some really bad things too but it has changed rapidly, especially during the reign of our Beloved Pope John Paul the 2nd.

Answer 3

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Answer 4

Au contraire.
The catholic Church did assemble the canon authorized it at Carthage and Hippo Synods and all the bible Alone groups accept the Catholic Canon of the New ytstament.
How about accepting the Catholic Canon of the Old Testament?
Happy New Year!

Answer 5

The Bible, the Scriptures of the Old Testament and the New Testament, preserved for us in the Masoretic text (Old Testament) Textus Receptus (New Testament) and in the King James Bible, is verbally and plenarily inspired of God. It is the inspired, inerrant, infallible, and altogether authentic, accurate and authoritative Word of God, therefore the supreme and final authority in all things.

God promised, that He would preserve His word for the English people in the King James Bible. Proverbs 16:10 says, "A divine sentence is in the lips of the KING. . ." Ecclesiastes 8:4 says, "Where the word of a KING is, there is power . . ." King James. "James" is not an English word but a Hebrew word. Did you know the Hebrew word for James is Jacob! You'll never guess what Psalms 147:19 says, "He showeth His WORD unto JACOB..."

This also proves that the catholic church had nothing to do with given us God's Holy Word.

Answer 6

you want real history?

want me to spoonfeed you with facts? here, educate yourself:

Until 1400 AD, Catholic monks preserved the original purityof the Bible and made copies by hand. Everyday in the Holy Masses, the congregation attended both 'Breaking of the Bread.' The Bible was not available to common people as there was no printing at that time as it is today.

In 1453 AD, printing was invented. Copies of the Bible were made available. In 1517 AD, Martin Luther attacked the Church, but first he vandalized the Bible itself. To defend his dogmas, he threw out seven Old Testament books from the early canons of the Bible (Wisdom, Sirach, Judith, Baruch, Tobit, 1st Maccabees, and 2nd Maccabees). He planned to destroy even the New Testament book, 'Letter of James', which spoke against his doctrine 'sola fide' (man is saved not by work but faith alone). But James 2:26 says: " Faith without work is dead." When opposition mounted , he was satisfied, accusing this Epistle as 'Epistle of the straw.' So, the Bible that is used by Protestants, is partial, incomplete and unauthentic.

His followers started to fight with each other on the interpretation of the Bible by creating contrary theologies and new dogmas.Thousands of churches were formed. ALL BELIEVE THAT THE BIBLE ALONE IS THE BASIS OF FAITH; DOGMA NEVER TAUGHT BY JESUS, NEVER WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE, NOR SUPPORTED BY THE BIBLE. Each church started to change interpretations and even words in the Bible according to their desire. This resulted in more than 200,000 churches with contrary views, all based in the Bible. All claim the guidance of the same Holy Spirit. The holy Spirit can never do this dirty confusion and total anarchy as it is the Spirit of Truth. Thus history proved, beyond any doubt, that the 'Bible alone' theory is not from God. In fact the Bible became an instrument in the hands of satan to create chaos and anarchy in Christendom when it was taken away from its real basis --- The Church founded by Jesus Christ upon Peter. So, Jesus warned, (Jn 15:6) anyone who does not remain in me will be thrown out like a branche and wither.

Answer 7

Money and power are the key to the "evil" within many religious institutions. Also, there are various fickle superstitions that churchgoers cling to, that are simply not true. They profit whatever denomination is putting those beliefs forward. This is why many of these faiths, have ministers and other church guardians, raping, abusing and murdering its constituents. I continue to pray.

Answer 8

i find it difficult to say their claim is bogus. it must be based on the belief that there bible is THE Bible.
How many other religions have the same sort of conundrum?
The Mormon's for instance.
Jehovah's Witnesses?
Why do Christians believe that The King James version of the Holy Scriptures is THE correct translation?
It is all faith based. And I am not the one to decide how others are to believe. Let us all hope, that no matter the translation, no matter the image we have of G_d, that we all get some it right ,and that the differences will not matter in the whole scheme of things.

Answer 9

Facinating! You want us all to believe the catholic Church did not exist until 325 AD, but then you go on to claim that "the Bible was very widely distributed long before the Catholics showed up with their Latin Vulgate."

The Bible is a Catholic book. Therefore, in admitting to the historical reality that the Bible was around long before 235 AD proves that the Catholic Church was around long before 325 AD.

Answer 10

No early church council decided on the canon. It was God, and God alone, who determined which books belonged in the Bible. It was simply a matter of God convincing His followers of what He had already decided upon. The human process of collecting the books of the Bible was flawed, but God, in His sovereignty, despite our ignorance and stubbornness, brought the early church to the recognition of the books He had inspired.