Mary and sin?

Question

Jesus was not born of sin, as the seed was the Holy spirit and not man

therefore how is sin transferred?


that's why Jesus was born free from sin,

compare this to the prophecy in Genesis 3: 15

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Saying, the seed of the woman, not the seed of the man and the woman which is how babies are made, but the sed of the woman only, God prophecises here that A redeemer the Son of man is needed, and indeed will come into the world, by the seed of the woman only,

Anyone still think Genesis isn't factual now(sidenote)

Only Jesus was born free of an earthly father, therefore he is free from sin

Mary was born of an earthly father, like everyone else, therefore she is not free from sin

Further, Mary sacriced 2 turtle doves for her sins, before the birth of Jesus, no need to sacrifice anything if you are not a sinner

By sacrificing animals and asking God to forgive her of her sins, this makes her aclean vessel for Christ to be born, free from original sin means no earthly father

mary had an earthly father,

St.Boniface does the same thing apply with the inquistion, the cathloci hirhc was true and correct to kill thousdnads of protestants becuase they wanted to read their bible?

please

read your bible, and tell me why the word of God is differnet to what the catholic church states

why do you desrie to protect a church that preaches differntly to whats in the bible?

what do you think came first?

Birds: you are confusing yourself

God crused adam and said he would die

Low and behold he died, and so do all men,

which is why he said a redeemer who is not of the seed of man as thats how sin is pased will be born into the world

i hope your confusion is cleared

Doug:

this is why blood is spilled:

(Hebrews 9:22)

"Without shedding of blood - no remission of sin,

is that clear enough,

why did God kill a calf after adam and eve ate the apple, so the blood could spil and their sin could be remissed,

thats why he did it,
and yes he also made clothes for them

so why did mary sacrifice 2 turtle doves?

"Without shedding of blood - no remission of sin,

Why did the jews practice animal sacrifices?


"Without shedding of blood - no remission of sin,

Thanks

If the catholic church thinks diffrently, then it's not the church God set up
but rather is a system devoted to the worship of a man, the pope, like all the other Roman religions before it, devoted to the worship of men, e,g, Ceasar

thanks

Doug: If mary was sinless, why dies she need a saviour?

Answer 1

Your logic falls quite flat on several counts.

Regrading the two turtle doves ... when a child is born, and later, when a male child is circumcized ... blood is typically spilled ... and the spilling of that blood on the part of the mother, and the son, is the reason the dual sacrifices were required under the law.

If a female child experienced any issue of blood at birth, a separate sacrifice, in addition to the mother's, was also required, under the law.

This had nothing to do with sins committed by either Jesus or Mary, as Jesus was sinless due to his divinity, and Mary was sinless because God "saved" her prior to the moment of her conception, and as a result of that privilege, and for the purpose of bearing her divine and sinless son, she was never stained by sin ... because if she had been, then Jesus' flesh would also have "come" from sin ... he would have been subject to Satan's dominion ... and he would have been totally unsuitable to be our holy redeemer.

There are many things you simply cannot correctly andn properly discern from scripture alone ... and this is certainly one of them.

You can read the complete, true, and authentic facts of the matter here:

http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_pi09id.htm

Answer 2

The Catholic Church was commissioned by Christ to teach all nations and to teach them infallibly—guided, as he promised, by the Holy Spirit until the end of the world (John 14:26, 16:13). The mere fact that the Church teaches that something is definitely true is a guarantee that it is true (cf. Matt. 28:18-20, Luke 10:16, 1 Tim. 3:15).

Edit: Why don't you post your other observations
separately? I would like to answer them all but I will overshoot my allowable space.

The Immaculate Conception and Assumption of the Blessed Mother is rooted in Sacred Tradition.

For more information about this subject please go to this link.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0832.htm

An implicit reference to the doctrine of Immaculate Conception may be found in the angel’s greeting to Mary. The angel Gabriel said, "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you" (Luke 1:28). The phrase "full of grace" is a translation of the Greek word kecharitomene. It expresses a characteristic quality of Mary.

The grace given to Mary is at once permanent and of a unique kind. Kecharitomene is a perfect passive participle of charitoo, meaning "to fill or endow with grace." Since this term is in the perfect tense, it indicates that Mary was graced in the past but with continuing effects in the present. So, the grace Mary enjoyed was not a result of the angel’s visit. In fact, Catholics hold, it extended over the whole of her life, from conception onward. She was in a state of sanctifying grace from the first moment of her existence.

Edit: Here are my short answers to your accusations.
1. The Church came before the Bible.
2. Jesus Christ never promised that the Church he will found will be a perfect Church. The Inquisition was necessary to rid the Church of heretics. In the Old Testament, God commanded Moses to stone heretics to death. Protestants had their own Inquisition too.
3. I read the Bible every day, but I don't read it the same way other Christians do. The Bible is not the sole infallible guide to Christian doctrine and practice. As matter of fact, it has many contradictions which explains why there are more than 30,000 Protestant denominations all claiming to have the correct interpretation of the Bible.

Answer 3

Good question. Sin is not transferred, never has and never will be. Ezekiel chapter 18 deals very well with that. Mary was a very blessed woman, having been chosen by God to be a special vessel for His son. Unfortunately she has been raised to a higher elevation by our catholic friends. Mary is probably grieved by this attention, as she was obviously very humble. Mary, even in her song states God is her Savior. Why would she need a savior if she was sinless? It is sad what has been attributed to this noble girl, but that is what doctrines of man will do and more. God Bless

Answer 4

Many people don't understand Gen.3:15, I do though. If Eve would have waited for that law of reproduction to set into her body, she then would have went to Adam & said, God has now put that time cycle in her, that we are to come together to produce another offspring of God born with eternal life, But since satan enticed the serpent, which was an upright creature BEFROE the curse & was a worker for Adam, Eve gave into the enticement from the serpent, & they came together out of God's due time, & Eve was conceived with Cain, Cain is NOT a son of Adam, but of the serpent. Now as you quoted Gen. 3:15 We see there is a serpent seed & the woman seed, Why would God put enmity Between the seed of the serpent & the seed of Eve, Something happened right there, Those 2 trees in the garden was NOT literal trees but 2 laws of reproduction, One law was to partake of the tree of life, then everyone would have been born with eternal life, The other was the tree of knowledge of good & evil, or the law that this sex act can also be used for pleasure also, Right there the women lost the knowledge of when she can concieve that was her curse that God would greatly multiply her conception, God first cursed the serpent, what did God do? why not read Gen. 3:14 God took that upright creature & took his legs & arms from him & put him into the reptile family, may I add, This was during the curse, why would God curse him into the reptile family if he was already a snake, & since God took Adam's worker from him, God did not curse Adam, but the ground & from that time until now men had to work with the sweat of their face. But after the milliennium, when we go over into the eternal age, we can read Rev. 22:1-3 we can then once again partake from that tree of life, Because there shall be no more curse. In Jude it says Enoch the 7th from Adam. Run Adam's seed line in Gen. 5 If you put Cain as a son of Adam then Enoch had to be move down to # 8, But in Adam's seed line you do not see Cain as his son, He was the son of the serpent. Now I know I went over many people heads on this truth, But there is a serpent seed. And to this day we are still living under that tree of knowledge of Good & Evil, But one day the saints, will be able to again partake of the tree of life, after the curse has been lifted.

Answer 5

Mary was a sinner like the rest of us. The Bible tells us that she, like others mentioned in the Bible, found favor with GOD. She was blessed to be the mother of JESUS but she was still a person. You will not find anything in the Bible about her being anything more than a person and you will not find anything about her ascending into heaven to pray for us. That is JESUS.

Answer 6

Mary was a human. and there is no reason to postulate that she was superhuman. The Savior was special. He was not only filled with the Holy spirit from birth (As John the Baptist also was) but beyond that was referred to the holy one. (Badly translated by most scriptures. Luke1:35) We are exhorted to allow the mind of the Messiah to be in us. (Phil.2:5) By making Mary so much greater than we are (and than she was) we consider our sins more excusable. thus we separate ourselves from Messiah and Salvation.

Answer 7

Gosh, youre right. The Old Testament is true after all. Lets start stoning gays and adulterers right away.

And reintroduce slavery.

Answer 8

You should write a thesis on this subject. People would be really interested.