my grandfather is james Payne who is a grandson of trader payne who line runs to the lady marjory barclay line and so on if anyone knows why i can see my family pedigree online that runs into adam & eve only from my grandfathers bloodline on my mothers side of the family???????why
2007-12-29
23:01:35
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i also show in my family line from ancestory.com & familysearch.org that am a desendent from isis and alot of egypt gods??? why on my moms side but not in my fathers bloodline? also some line went back farther than adam & eve???payne ,barclay,poindexter,de crawford,linage in my family tree are we royality?that is what my bloodline says ......why am i so broke as a pesent then?????
2007-12-29
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you all are thinking like me ..I too have been skecptic...but as far as research goes i have pictures that have been passed down in my family since early1800s also dolly payne(dolly madison) wife of james madison 4th president was my 8th gr grandmotherso as far as documenting goes payne family doucmented alot they were royalty from england......they were aslo the paynes of virginia the first settlers some of you even in history class learned about my family in class John Payne & millicent, Trader payne,payne family was also friends of george washington in westmoreland county va, do your own research and youll be dumbfounded like i was cause thrugh every database and historic records proves my facts on our bloodline even went to historic library in l.a. cali to find every record true intact....
my history is in books ...by brooke payne called The Paynes Of Virginia
aslo have wills dated back in the early 1700s by sir robert Payne Knight and so on from the king who was also a direct
2007-12-30
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maybe it is because we all came from Adam & Eve.
2007-12-29 23:07:00
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answered by Anonymous
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This is why people cannot take what they find online as reliable information. This is why you need to do your own research and create a paper trail documenting everything. So many people are careless and irresponsible at what they post online as "accurate" genealogy "research". As you know, it is impossible to be traced back to "Gods" as they were not real people. Also, there is much disagreement to the whole Adam and Eve vs Evolution debate, so, since it cannot even be proven which way is right, then it cannot be proven that anyone even goes back to Adam and Eve. Even if the debate was settled, and it was determined the Adam and Eve story is the correct version, there was not any documentation back then, so it is impossible to have a paper trail going back to them, and not miss a single generation, or get a single name or date wrong? Come on, think about it. NO ONE can accurately trace their line back to 3000 BC. If you believe that, then you are most foolish. You did NOT "do" your family history. You found someone else's useless tree online and jumped to the conclusion that it must be accurate. Are you that gullible?
Take this advice - start all over from scratch, do your own reserach, get documents, create your own paper trail, do your own leg work at courthouses and libraries, etc. and DOCUMENT EVERYTHING!!!! Anything less is irresponsible.
As far as being decended from Royalty, I am too, and I am not rich. Truth is, most all of us are........there was a time in history when medical care was very poor, and only the royal rich could afford it, so everyone else died out. Plus, during all the ancient wars, the common people were the ones fighting it and many were killed off. Then there were rampant diseases that spread through the ghettos of society, as there was not really a wide range of classes back then. You were either royalty or poor. Sounds like you are very gullible about the ins and outs of genealogy. You really sound quite foolish.
2007-12-30 09:03:28
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answered by Annabelle 6
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According to Ancestry.com, one of my earliest paternal ancestors to come to America was the youngest son of the Earl of Crawford in Scotland. After the Crawfords arrived in the Colonies, their primary distinction was being killed by Indians every other generation or so, although I've found that side of the family among the First Families of Virginia, which chiefly means that they arrived before anyone else did, and I'm satisfied that the genealogy is correct at least within two generations from the ancestor who made the jump across the Pond.
The Crawford line supposedly stretches back to the House of Stuart (James I and II of Scotland*), on to Robert the Bruce, and then some. I stopped looking when the names started sounding like they had more mythology than substance. I'd like to think I'm descended from kings, even the hapless, headless House of Stuart, but who knows since I've only tried to verify family records in the United States.
Given that the Crawfords and their descendants intermarried with a lot of other families with Scottish surnames and pedigrees, I'd say there is perhaps a connection to the Stuarts. After all, Scotland is a small country, and only about 4 percent of all Americans can verify Scots' ancestry. Whether this royal family can be traced back to 3000 BC is another story. Interestingly enough, again according to Ancestry.com, but again as yet unverified, my dad's family and my mother's family intersect at a Hugh Crawford in 17th century Scotland.
As far as Dolly Payne Madison goes, you most probably can verify this pedigree.
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*Not James I and II of England--they're James VI and VII of Scotland.
2007-12-30 20:52:33
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answered by Ellie Evans-Thyme 7
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I doubt you have documents to prove any of this. If you found your history online then I would really doubt it as there is so much bad research out there and most of it is not documented. Unless you can document you can't prove it. Since birth certificates, etc don't go back that far into the 1800's I doubt you've documented.
If you want to believe what everyone says we call come from Adam & Eve. And we all know there were no documents back that far. Guess that's why you can't find it online. Gee who would have guessed that one
2007-12-30 08:30:14
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answered by Holly N 4
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Family trees on any website, free or paid, must be viewed as clues not as fact. The information is usually not documented or poorly documented. Particularly if one goes back to 3000 bc, there is a lot of speculation done. You might see different information from different submitters on the same people. Then you will see repeatedly the same information on the same people from different submitters and no documentation to back it up whatsoever. A lot of people copy with our verifying. Also if they have Family Tree Maker and Genealogy.Com, for instance,they can easily merge someone else's trees into their trees and then upload the merged tree to various family websites. That is just collecting names. That is not quality research. Unfortunately, Genealogy.Com encourages that. Always look for documentation. WFT is not quality documentation or another person's URL.
I doubt there is any documentation to take your tree back to 3000 BC.
If you have copied what others have on the web, you have not done valid research. Even information in a published book should have documentation. If not, it is not to be considered as fact.
Edit: If your family goes back to early colonial days in Virginia, there is a good chance you have noble and/or royal ancestry and you probably can find records to back that up with diligent research. It might take a few years. However, I believe it is virtually impossible for anyone to go back to 3000bc.
2007-12-30 09:54:54
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answered by Shirley T 7
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I wont try to repeat all that has already been said.
It is normal that some lines will be better worked and documented, that's just the odds of the game.
Just as a checkpoint, there are numerous files on rootsweb family files, for John Payne/ Millicent, and none of those show that his parents are known or proven. There might be other statements or beliefs in other places, since this name family has tons of descendents.
Generally, your weakest link will be at the immigrant, and even more so if in the 1600s. It appears that down from John/ Millicent has good documentation. That does not address lineage in England or prior.
Just REMEMBER, that in genealogy, it is not true just because someone said "hey, I found it". You still have to know what they found, and whether it is solid or wishful thinking.
2007-12-31 22:19:19
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answered by wendy c 7
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