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Who deserves to go to heaven more?

A firm believer all their life yet who is totally selfish and hostile

or

An non believer who is at peace with oneself and helps others

2007-12-29 13:54:12 · 24 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Mind you now, the complexity is that all 3 religions say non beleivers may not enter their Heaven. Yet the same goes for anyone representing person number one.

2007-12-29 13:55:01 · update #1

I apologize about the Jewish and the heaven part lol. My mistake. My mistake. =/

2007-12-29 14:00:39 · update #2

24 answers

A firm believer can't be selfish

2007-12-29 13:57:02 · answer #1 · answered by Happily Happy 7 · 6 2

Learn a few more of the facts before you go around spreading silly badly informed notions. It's arguments like this that spread distrust and hate between religions and people where there should be none.
For starters a true believer in any of these religions would not be selfish or hostile in any way, secondly some of these do not have a concept of "heaven". Heaven is not based on deeds, but belief. There are many more flaws in your argument which I am sure will be pointed out by others.

Inform yourself before you try to start a detailed argument like this in public.

2007-12-29 14:10:00 · answer #2 · answered by biff.1145 6 · 1 0

Jews believe that Non-believers can also be "saved" so your additional comment is incorrect.

Jews believe that if ANYONE lives by the Noahite Laws, they are righteous people and will be rewarded.

So to answer your question, the non-believer is good to go and the firm believing Jew is not because he is not living up to dictates of his faith.

With Judaism, tsdakah (sometimes erroneously translated as "charity") is a requirement, not something that you have an option about doing. A selfish person would not be giving tsdakah so he is a sinner.

2007-12-29 17:59:34 · answer #3 · answered by forgivebutdonotforget911 6 · 1 0

If someone is truly a firm believer, they cannot possibly still be selfish and hostile. It is easier to get a camel through the eye of a needle than a rich (stuck up) man into heaven. (even if he is a firm believer). I think the 2nd would deserve to go to heaven more, though, because they don't give religion a bad name.

2007-12-29 13:59:43 · answer #4 · answered by Liberstratum 5 · 0 0

None of us deserve to go to heaven. It is only by being under the blood of Christ that we may do so.
Your examples are a paradox. A true believer can not be selfish and hostile. It goes against the teachings of Christ.
Being at peace with one's self, outside of the fellowship with Christ says that you feel that you do not need Christ, and you will not see the kingdom of God.
Helping others in that state does nothing for you, for it is not by works that you may enter into Glory, lest any man should boast.

2007-12-29 14:07:51 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

Non-believer, hands down. If there is any justice in this world or the next, a person would be judged by their deeds, not their faith.

Edit: I've been reading the Jewish answers about your question and they are right. Judaism, especially the Old Ways, didn't even have a concept of an afterlife. Sheol was the only afterlife and it was more comparable to the gray waste of Hades in Greek Mythos than in the Paradise and Garden in Christianity and Islam respectively. While these elements (or those similar) were added later on as Judaism evolved, it is a foreign concept for the most part.

2007-12-29 13:56:58 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 5 3

It's a pretty interesting question. In Christianity, selfishness and hostility are thought of as Greed and Wrath, two of the deadly seven sins. Usually, christians note to avoid the seven deadly sins so as not to be punished.
To get into heaven the requirement is to accept Jesus into your heart and believe. Doing random acts of kindness are great but by the bible, you can't get into heaven just by acting nicely.

2007-12-29 14:10:49 · answer #7 · answered by єlly 4 · 1 0

This might help you with the Judaism part:
Judaism does have a concept of reward and punishment in the afterlife. However, since words we use bring to mind certain images, particularly “Heaven” and “Hell,” it is better to use the Jewish terminology which comes without the baggage.

When someone dies, the disembodied soul leaves this sensory world and enters “Gan Eden,” the spiritual Garden of Eden (a.k.a. “Heaven”). In the Garden of Eden, the soul enjoys the “rays of the Divine Presence,” a purely spiritual enjoyment dependent on the Torah learning and good deeds done while in a body. Every year on the yahrtzeit, the day of passing, the soul ascends to another level closer to G-d. This gives it tremendous pleasure.


In order to restore the level of purity the soul had possessed before entering the physical world, it must undergo a degree of refinement commensurate to the degree which the body may have indulged itself
Before entering the Garden of Eden, though, every soul must be refined, for it cannot enjoy the Divine Presence to the fullest degree with the pleasures and coarseness of our physical world still engraved on it. These would give the soul poor “reception” of divine radiance, and must be removed.


In order to restore the level of purity the soul had possessed before entering the physical world, it must undergo a degree of refinement commensurate to the degree which the body may have indulged itself. If a person sinned in this lifetime, as most of us do, then, to continue the radio analogy, we have serious interference. This means there is even more cleaning to be done. This cleaning process hurts, but is a spiritual and mental process designed not for retribution, but to allow one to truly enjoy his/her reward in Gan Eden. This cleaning process is called “Gehinom,” or, in the vernacular, “Hell.”

2007-12-29 14:01:28 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 6 0

a firm believer cant be selfish and hostile like others have said. But in any case, a believer would go to heaven cuz he had faith in god. He might get punished for his sins, but he will eventually go to heaven. A non believer will definitely taste hell but he/she might eventually be sent to heaven as well.
Only god knows

2007-12-29 14:12:04 · answer #9 · answered by Ṣaḥābah . 5 · 1 1

Well, you're not correct in saying all three religions say that only believers go to heaven. Judaism believes you don't have to be Jewish to go to heaven; nobody has to be Jewish at all, that's why it's so hard to convert. People need only to lead moral lives in order to merit a place in the world to come same as a Jew.

2007-12-29 14:02:15 · answer #10 · answered by LadySuri 7 · 7 2

You can be a believer and be at peace with others at the same time.

2007-12-29 14:48:03 · answer #11 · answered by angelguide 4 · 0 0

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