God judges but Jesus forgives? Go figure?

Question

Now, if Jesus and Father God is the same whole God then what's the deal with one that judges humans to determine if they go to heaven or hell but then you have Jesus another God that forgives.

Pretending these are real entities. How do these two Gods debate about their decisions? Do they fight in a battle since they have opposite views from each other but then they are the same God within.

Is like a person having two personalities inside fighting itself. One decide to forgive and one thinks he should be cruel and torture for eternnity.

Who ultimately wins in this heaven - Jesus the son God or the father God?

One important detail I forgot to left out is God could see all future zillion years ago so the judgement was actually made before any creations of anything. Judgement was known before creation. Interesting as to why need to judge and ned to create? Very strange. Men made up inventions? Pretty sure of it.

Does God able to see into the future? If so then was the judgement known even before creation of such beings?

Also, since death of a body is not really death at all then what is the crime or sin about? No one actually dies since all life exists even after death.

Jesus and God cannot be the same since they have different names and identities. They even converse with each other and pray to each other. Rule in heaven side by side like individuals separated entities.

One loves and forgives the other hates and kills and creates things that he knew is evil that he dislikes and destroys later on. Why would anyone create something he knew he dislikes and would destroy?

If it is known then why an intelligent being like a God would do such silly thing? A God can't be doing somthing this silly. No way. So, this means this God is men made invention.

Answer 1

I can't remember where I read or heard it, pretty sure it's either in the Bible or Dante's Inferno. I would reccomend both for some interesting reading! From what I understood, I thought the apostle Peter is supposed to meet you at the Gate. Your soul is put on a scale if you never knew God, and you are judged according to the way the scale goes. HOWEVER, if you knew God, then you are judged according to your works for or against him. Then comes the judgement. I'm pretty sure it's in INFERNO. Excellent reading, enjoy!

Answer 2

You are certainly asking complicated questions. It's no wonder you and many others are having trouble answering.

First, we cannot easily and completely explain God. God is far beyond our capability to understand. What God reveals to us is sketchy, at best. In Christianity, three aspects of God are revealed: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These agree on the principals of how to manage the universe.

The Father has given all judgment to the Son (John 5:26-27). Thus, there will be no arguments.

There is considerable controversy about God and his knowledge of the future.

God knows our thoughts ( Job 21:27, Isaiah 66:18 ). So, God knows what we will do moments before we do it. But, some things man does are not foreseen by God. God indicated that the wicked things the Jews did never entered his mind ( Jeremiah 19:3-5 and 32:35 ). On the other hand, God can intervene to cause certain results when He wants to. The miracles performed by Jesus and his followers are such interventions.

God inspired written records of what He can and will do under certain circumstances. These records are prophesies and they are all known to God ( Acts: 15:18 ).

God neither knows nor controls everything we will do. This means that man has what we call "free moral agency." That is, we can do what we want to do. God can intervene in our lives, but most often does not.

Jesus, who will judge the nations, indicated that the criteria he will use will be how people treated his brethren. In the story about the sheep and goats ( Matthew 25:31-46), Jesus separates people based on whether they were kind or not to his brethren. Jesus indicated that he would reward every person according to their works ( Matthew 16:27 ).

Perhaps the best statement of what Jesus believes is the way we should act is given in the three chapters of Matthew, 5, 6 and 7. This is how Jesus wants you to live. But, will you?

That is the question you must answer.

Answer 3

Does this example help?

Let's take the US court system. Let's say that God is the circuit court judge, and you are on trial...you are brought before the judge for drinking and driving, and on the way home from a party where you drank one too many drinks, you hit another car killing a mother. You're guilty of vehicular manslaughter with a conviction of a DUI. The evidence is overwhelming against you. There were witnesses after all, and the breathalizer showed your blood alcohol level to be way above the legal limit, so you are definitely guilty of the crime. God the judge hears the evidence and pronounces t sentence on you. But then, Jesus steps in...hes heard the evidence, and asks to go into the chambers with God...God and Jesus comes out...Jesus has now reminded God that your punishment was paid for when he went to the cross. All you have to do is to accept Christ as the penalty for that sin and he will take the sentence on his back. If you accept Christ's payment, God says Paid in full.

That's the relationship between Jesus Christ and God, the Father.

Answer 4

You need to accept that you can NEVER earn it. You're right- you DON'T deserve it. I don't, you don't, we all don't deserve it. It is God's grace that chose to cover your sin and actually MAKE you worthy. (please pretend that my CAPS are actually italics, I'm beginning to feel like a doomsday preacher lol :) Are you a parent? It's the best analogy I can think of. You tell your kid "Don't sneak out at night. There's bad stuff out there, I don't want you caught up in that." And lo and behold, they sneak out and get arrested doing the very things you told them not to. They're convicted and sentenced to either a large fine or jail time. But you're not rich. Getting bail money means sacrificing something important to you. Do you do it anyway? Of course, you love your child. Does your kid accept it? Now they know they don't deserve it, they know they stuffed up, they don't like that you had to do what you had to do, but they accept it because they don't have a choice. Very few people choose to waste it, refuse to leave. And it is a waste, because the sacrifice has been made. Leaving it sitting on the table and choosing to suffer is the fool's choice. It doesn't matter if it's made through arrogance (I don't need your stupid help) or through guilt (I don't deserve this-it's too much) it's still wasted. You can give it up outwardly and still hold every last sin on the inside. Jesus wants to take them all. The act of actually, properly, giving them up is the sort of thing that has people crying on the floor in the aisles. "You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:6-8 NIV) You've just gotta let it go. The price is paid. There's no magic formula. There's no words to say or some song to sing. There is nothing that makes this equal. There is nothing that makes this a fair transaction. Your sin for his salvation. Just let it go with humility and accept the gift we truly don't deserve. And actively attempt to change these poor behaviors. You don't feel like such a user for accepting God's grace when you sincerely don't intend to do it all again tomorrow... God Bless you, especially as you approach a ministry!

Answer 5

When it comes right down to it, the only reason why you choose not to believe is that you know if you did, you would have to change your life style in some way.
You don’t like the idea of handing over your life to someone else whose going to tell you what you can and can not do.
Bottom line is you want to run your life as you see fit.
Well fine, go ahead and be your own boss; sooner or later you’re going to get sick and tired of constantly getting yourself into one mess after another. When you’ve finally had enough of yourself, Jesus will be there to help you pick up the pieces of your broken shattered life and give you the joyful, peaceful life you could have had all along.

Answer 6

God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. the Trinity. Three in one. It is a concept hard to understand @ first, but makes more sense as you study it out. The first thing to grasp is the fact that we are sinners and need to accept Christ as Lord and Saviour. Jesus died for our sins so we can be forgiven of God. If we accept Christ, then we are not in judgement, we are now living under grace, and striving daily to be more Christ-minded. If we DON'T accept Jesus, then @ death we meet God our Judge. Please, accept Him as Savior and then you don't have to spend eternity w/out Him.

Answer 7

They aren't against each other there with each other! Also God is a fair judge and judges you truthfully. God knew that by his just standards were all hell-bound. So he sent Jesus down to forgiven us.

Answer 8

Christian Universalism does not teach the existence of an eternal hell. Here are some resources for anyone interested in Christian Universalism:

Online resources:

http://www.christianuniversalist.org/

http://www.christian-universalism.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universalism

All of the following links are for discussion forums that are Christian Universalist in orientation:

Emergent Universalism Discussion Forum

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emerging-universalist/

Christian Universalism Discussion Forum

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/christian-universalism/

Apokatastasis Discussion Forum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apokatastasis/

The Church of Interfaith Christians Discussion Forum

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thechu...ithchristians/

Wider Universalist Fellowship Discussion Forum

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiderUniversalist/

Fundie Universalist Discussion Forum

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fundieuniversalist/

Reconciliation Fellowship Discussion Forum

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/reconciliation-fellowship/

Answer 9

You have a misunderstanding. There is only one God and there will never be another.

Deuteronomy 6
4Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

You misunderstand who Jesus is. Jesus is the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the LORD, in flesh. The Lord (Jehovah) took on flesh to be the Christ (the promised man who would bring salvation.) Jesus is not half God and half man. He is God the Father who took on human flesh to be the Christ, our redeemer.

Isaiah 9
6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Luke 2
9And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.

10And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

11For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

I Corinthians 2
5That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

6Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Acts 4
12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Joel 2
32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

If you want to be saved call on the name of the LORD, Jesus, the one true and living God.

Galatians 3
13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Isaiah 44
24Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself

There ain't but one redeemer, the LORD. God. His highesest revealed name is now Jesus.

God knows everything. He will judge us with all the knowledge of God and the experience and understanding of a man who has walked in our shoes, Jesus Christ, the LORD.

Answer 10

artard question, God judges who will go to heaven and who will go to hell, When God the father judges you and you have Jesus in you heart then you will to heaven, if you dont then you go to hell, u have to be retarded not to figure that out