Did your God set Adam and Eve to fall to sin?

Question

Here are the evidence of this setup.

1. Send Satan to Earth instead of the Moon. What happens if God send Satan in another galaxy instead, could Satan have travelled to earth on his own to do his duty for God? Religion is funny for sure.

2. God planted two trees instead of not planted any.

3. God did not created them with more intelligence to begin with. Dumb people do dumb things. That is certain to be the case for any creations. Example of dumb human beings - fighting terrorism by invading Iraq and Afganistan. What does that do even if you can take over or control those areas? Result is NOTHING because terrorism is created by religions and ideals. How can anyone fight end terrorism if they don't end religion or ideals or how to end ideals? You first attack superstitious belief system before you can win over terrorism.

Did God set These two people to fall? If not then why set up all these traps in this garden?

What if Adam and Eve never took the bait and never fell?

If Adam and eve never took the bait, would your God be disappointed?

If they never took the bait then there was no need to send a son to save humanity. Or evil of humanity would not exists except only the evil of angels not humans.

So, why did God set humans up to fall to sin? God could see all futures so why he set those two humans to fall to sin so all their children would also fall to sin and God has to correct all this at the end to kill them all if necessary and select a few he thinks are different from the rest like he did in Noah's flood. God made a big mistake because Noah's family is not much different from any other family.

If God choose another family instead of Noah, the result would be the same, you will see the same modern days with the same conflicts and bad things happenning all over the world.

Is your God really as intelligent as you claimed it to be??? Not according to his actions from his writings by human translations.

So, now some believers claim this is a metaphor and not real account. Does this mean there were never an Adam and Eve ever existed? Your religion is based on the orginal sin of these two humans. If one say they never existed or that the story was men made up then what is there for a GOd to save humanity for? There is no need to save the original sin. There was never an original sin.

Can humans see religion is human creation? I guess not even if I explained to them in so simple terms.

Free will?

If God never planted such trees then no such fall would take place. Your God wanted humans to fall. That is my point.

This contradicts your religion that GOd hates evil. Your GOd loves evil because that is his intention but most believers don't want to accept this truth or reality.

Anyway, God and religions are obviously men made up inventions but people just love to have faith that they are for real because your parents and church told you so when you were young age. That is how most believers have such faith in their religions and God or Gods all over the world. Superstitions they so believe as for real.

Don't forget, your God can see all futures. If he saw they will fall then this means humans will be evil beings that he dislikes. He saw that trillions of years before such creations and yet when the time to create he continue to set up what he saw trillions of years before?

Very strange if such a God is real but I'm certain this God was men made up invention and not even a woman was involved in writing such stories.

At least terrorists use religion as excuse for their acts. Religion might have brainwashed these people to do what they do.

If you put a bag of dog food in a garden, if you tell your dog not to eat it, will he listen to you not to eat it. Will you expect it not to eat it if you were a God? Even a human would know your dog will eat the bag of dog food if you put it at the center of the garden and you let the dog outside. God knows all not?

Adam and eve had no knowledge of good or bad so how do they suppose to know their actions of eating anything will cause any consequences if they do not know their actions are or what is good or bad to begin with even if they have free will. Free will does not make one able to see their actions are good or bad or have consequences. A 2 year old firing a gun at his daddy does not know good or evil or his free will to shoot have knowledge of their actions. He just shoot without thinking.

One thing is for sure, believers are trapped just like anyone in the Middle east who would use violent to voice their opinions.

Answer 1

As it is written in that book, it sure seems like a cruel hoax on A & E.

Answer 2

God gives us freedom of choice. He wouldn't control us, b/c we r his creation and he loves us, even as we live in sin. Satan isn't a human being bound by things such as location and gravity. He is a fallen angel, and can travel between the human and spiritual dimensions, so sending him to a place like the moon wouldn't necessarily do anything. God creates everything with a purpose, like the trees to provide oxygen and give us fruit, even though these fruits were made to give us a choice. We also cannot change people's beliefs, like their religion or worldviews. By taking over, and I'm not saying this is a good thing, it's just something our country is trying to do, I believe we are trying to relieve and seize the weapons of terrorists, as well as the leaders, b/c with most organizations, if u capture the leader, u confuse the group. And again, God gave us freedom of choice, that is why he set up these "traps," which aren't traps at all; they were testings. I also believe that if Adam and Eve didn't take the bait and fall, there would be one of two different outcomes: we would've continued to live in harmony with God, sinless and perfect, or someone else would've been tempted by Satan, which could've affected that person's family alone, or the whole world.

Continuing on to what u added, God chose Noah b/c he was fully devoted to God. If u want to argue, u should study what ur talking against. And God is almighty, meaning he is omnipotent, omnipresent, and all knowing.

Answer 3

Answer to general question: no.

1) Is Satan capable of intergalactic travel? Since Satan is capable of traveling from the spiritual heaven to earth (Job), I would suspect that intergalactic travel would be a lark for such a being.

2) God planted the entire garden, not just 2 trees. Good thing, too, or else they might have gotten pretty hungry.

3) God created them with enough intelligence to understand "Don't eat this - it will kill you! You can eat *anything* else, just don't eat this." It was not stupidity, but perverseness, that led Adam and Eve to eat the forbidden fruit.

4) Iraq and Afghanistan
a) How would you have handled Al-Qaeda, based in Afghanistan?
b) How would you have handled Saddam's creation and use of weapons of mass destruction?
It's easy to say someone screwed up, but you really should have a better way of handling it yourself before criticizing the way someone else handled it.

5) Terrorism is created by religion and ideals
This is not true. There are several examples of terrorism in history which existed apart from religion. It may be that terrorism exists because of "ideals", but then again I have to ask - how do you eliminate ideals that lead to violence, while promoting those that lead to the improvement of human society? If you don't have a solution, there's not much point in claiming that the one being used is wrong.

6) God set up no "traps" in his garden. Is cyanide a trap for you? If someone tells you, "Don't eat cyanide, it will kill you", do you believe that they are setting a trap for you - or are they warning you because they care about you enough to keep you from killing yourself?

7) If Adam and Eve *never* "fell", then eternal life in paradise would exist now, on earth. Eternal life in paradise is *still* God's plan for us.

Jim, http://www.jimpettis.com/wheel/

Answer 4

No, the LORD God didn't set Adam and Eve up for a fall however the actual fact that to select God they needed to have freewill signifies that any temptation might scan them wholly. God stated don't do that, there are lots of timber well for fruit that you'll be able to have however now not this one. Immediately we will be able to think Eve's brain might be focussed on it and the serpant stated what she desired to listen to. This is the character of sin. Jesus instructed the Pharisees, as I keep in mind it, that sin comes from inside a person. For the Pharisees had many rituals of cleanliness over and above the ones required by way of Gods legislation. People get very hung up at the thought of Satan and the Devil, possibly falling for the church buildings scare procedures over the final few hundred years. Satan and the satan discuss with those people who are 'adversaries' and 'slanderers'. A well Bible concordance will exhibit you this. Anyone who is going towards God's methods could be a Satan. It is a personalisation of sin, which find it irresistible or now not we're all area to because the phrase of God indicates.

Answer 5

There was no real curse involved; this is only a misinterpretation.

When the bible speaks of partaking of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil you are reading what is called a metaphor. Knowledge of good and evil is a metaphoric reference to judgment. When you judge something you attempt to determine if it is acceptable or not. In effect you are deciding if it is good or evil from your point of view.

Once we were just like the animals and recognized that everything in the garden that God had given us was good. At some point we started to judge some thing as being better than others are. This set up a situation where something’s were more appealing to us than others. We started wishing for these things and were no longer happy with some of the other things in the garden.

This is what is referred to as the fall of man, or separation from God. Some references actually call this the detour into insanity. This self-induced separation from the knowledge of the perfection of god’s gifts to us was never shared by the animals. They were too smart to fall for this silly idea and were not fooled by the ideas of good and evil. For this reason they exist along side of us still experiencing the perfection of the garden. While we have excluded ourselves with our ideas of judgment. This is a truly fascinating subject that has many interesting facets. Including how to reverse the process and return to the original state. If you feel the need to discuss it further send an email.

Love and blessings.
don

Answer 6

Geesh ..read ALL of it if you are going to read any of it. That way you wont have to ask stuff like this. There is no "if", so you can let that part go, ok? The only real "if" is how are each one of us going to change our lives by learning right from wrong and PRACTICING what we learn.

Go to Isaiah 45:7. Read it. Think it over and the VAST implications it ascribes to what is going on constantly on this world we are forced to live upon.

Then AFTER you have read all the scriptures ..then think it all over. God says we are children and must go to Him as innocent children and even tells us exactly how to do that perfectly...knowing we probably wont do it perfectly ..but that He is merciful and loves us.

Anyway..just think it over AFTER you read it all. Do yourself a huge favor and do that instead of wanting to read a line here and there and then argue over it. Thats the hard way. Reading it all first is the easy way.

Answer 7

God created the first man and woman perfect and placed them in Paradise. They were endowed with a gift that distinguished them from animals—the gift of free will. (Genesis 1:28; 2:15, 19) As free moral agents, Adam and Eve could use their intellect to choose to love, serve, and obey their Creator. Or they could select a course of independence from God and deliberately disobey him.
To give Adam and Eve an opportunity to demonstrate their love for him, the true God placed one restriction upon them. He commanded Adam: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.” (Genesis 2:16, 17) To remain in God’s favor, to their own benefit and that of their future family, Adam and Eve would have to refrain from eating the fruit of that one particular tree. Would they?
You know that answer already..dont you?

Answer 8

I understand that they had free will. They made the choice whether to obey or not. If they had not fallen after a period of time it is my understanding that the Almighty would have removed the tree. We aren't told in scripture, so I'm not sure. If they hadn't sinned, we would be born in perfect harmony with YHVH and things would be very different. (and very good)

Answer 9

NO God gave them a choice they were decieved like you are,but thanks be to God that He came to this earth and died for us that YOU can be saved!!!!! and your vision restored!

Answer 10

Know thyself and thou shalt know all things.