What wrath could ppl be worried about, if told God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation?

Question

It seems, to me, there's a lot of chicken little ppl crying the sky is falling on us, when the Bible clearly notes such destruction only comes on "them" of them/us in 1Thess 5:3/1Thess 5:9; And notably only because of what "they say": Peace & Safety in law. Perhaps they should consult someone wrongfully convicted, to see there's neither peace nor safety in law worketh wrath, and accusation of our brethren, and condemnation, and torment, and even a death sting.

It seems. to me, there's a lot of law law worry worts and fear mongers promoting sound the alarm, awaken the king, to tell him the kingdom is under attack from a phantom menace called the shadow... obviously the dark version of things to come, and not the very things to come: grace mercy peace.

What are your thoughts on wrath vs salvation?

Answer 1

In the Old Testament, the Israelites upheld their Covenant with God by keeping Moses' Law and, of course, the great Commandments. Christians are freed from The Law (later twisted into Talmudism by the Pharisees) and enter into the New Covenant by Baptism. We are saved by the grace of His Passion and Blood alone, a grace we have to actively cooperate with through metanoia (repentance and a turning of the heart toward Christ), submitting our wills to our Father's, and obedience. When we enter into this Covenant, we literally become His children, His family. God the Father becomes for us Abba and Christ seals us to Him with His own Blood. Our task -- and our reward -- is to "become divinized" (to undergo "theosis"), to "put on Christ" and share in the Divine Energies of God and Christ's Sonship. We become the heirs of God Himself. In this divinization, this theosis, His Chosen will share in God's divine nature (2 Peter 1:4) -- but still as creatures of God and not as God Himself or in any way apart from God. We will forever and always be creatures, "becoming God" by sharing in His divine nature, but never in His divine essence -- and never, ever apart from God, which is the lie Satan first told to Eve. The created can never become Uncreated.

We agree entirely with the many Protestants who say one has to "have a personal relationship with Jesus" or "let Jesus into one's heart" if, by that, they mean that we are to pray earnestly, walk the walk, make His Will manifest in our lives, preach the Gospel, etc. We are to turn our hearts toward Christ! We must experience true conversion! We believe, too, that no aspect of our relationsip with Christ can be more intimate and awesome than by prayerfully and humbly receiving Him through the Eucharist and receiving His graces through His other Sacraments!

We refute the idea that all one needs to do in order to be saved is to say "The Sinner's Prayer" (though it is a nice prayer, as far as it goes); we believe that we are to work out our salvation in fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12) lest we be cast away (I Corinthians 9:27) -- but always with the knowledge of God's Fatherly Love and Mercy for us, His adopted children. Likewise, we reject the idea that one can work his way into Heaven or that any Christian's works have salvific merit outside of Christ's grace. Neither faith alone, nor works alone, nor faith and works together saves us or puts God into debt to us; He owes us nothing! Neither getting on your knees once and saying the "Sinner's Prayer," no matter how sincerely, nor a lifetime working at soup kitchens, but without faith and the Sacraments, will save you. It is His grace alone that saves -- a grace we accept in faith and by doing His will!

Though we believe in predestination (Ephesians 1:11), we see it as an inscrutable Mystery, and we reject any ideas of predestination that deny the free will of man or which make God the Author of sin by seeing Him as also predestining some souls to go to Hell (i.e., as in any idea of "double predestination"). We assert that we are created by God in His image, that He created us freely able to choose Him or to choose sin, and that predestination beyond recognizing His omniscience, would render His divine plan meaningless. We believe that free will exists both before and after justification. In other words, a person who enters the Covenant may freely leave it and lose his salvation (2 Peter 2:20-21). While we do believe that whom God elects, He will save, we don't presume to know who the elect are (I Corinthians 4:4)! This is a Mystery of God that we can't presume to know, let alone base an entire theology and soteriology on.

Summary: We are saved by grace alone, through a saving faith (a faith that works in love, Galatians 5:6), and as a fruit of Christ's having suffered and shed His blood for us. Christianity is both a "head religion" and a "heart religion"; we intellectually assent to the Truths given to us by the Church through Her Scripture and Sacred Tradition, and these Truths affirm that we must give our hearts to Jesus. In other words, we are to love God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength (Mark 12:30). To focus only on the heart without including the mind ( to forget doctrine and rely on "experience" and "feelings") is to lapse into heresy and subjectivism; to focus on the intellect without including the heart (to forget humility, repentance, and, above all, charity) is to lapse into a legalistic Pharisaism.

To be saved: believe and trust in Jesus, repent of your sins, be baptized, receive the Eucharist, and obey the will of God as taught to us in the Bible and the constant teachings of the Church. Love God with all your heart and mind and soul and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself.

Answer 2

If you were God, Creator, And Head CEO of Earth PLc, for what reason does the human race procreate, why would he anoint or appoint us and for what reasons. Job was his darling , and model man, loving his wife, having seven sons who worked and broke bread together, respected by his community. It would appear the only man livingaccording to gods perfect law and statutes.

In these times of Armagedoon and holy war, it seem a laughable reversal of fortune whereby God is demanded a reckoning of, spurned, denied and blasphemed against.

Each man is accorded his portion according to what he affords his fellow man. Whether his actions are worthy of wrath or mercy.

Fear God for their is much to Fear.

Infinite is his mercy and great his wrath.

Answer 3

The secret to understanding this passage of scripture is in knowing who the "US" is, and on whom the wrath of God will fall.

Those NOT appointed to wrath are those who have trusted in the gospel of OUR salvation as given to Paul. Gods wrath has fallen on His OWN SON at the Cross for all sin for all time for all people. People won't experience Gods wrath if they believe that Christ did indeed die for all of THEIR sins, and put them out of His sight forever.

Those who refuse to BELIEVE God and the FACTS about the SIN BEARER, will indeed know Gods wrath as they are faced with eternal damnation for NOT accepting Gods gift. It is a CHOICE one makes and ones eternal destination hangs in the balance.

Salvation is available to all today thru the finished work of Christ on the Cross. God has paid the debt He did not owe, for we who owed a debt we could not pay. For those of "US" who have believed God, or taken Him at His Word, God has NOT appointed us unto wrath. But for those who don't believe, the wrath still remains.

All scripture must be read IN CONTEXT to be properly understood. Israel still looks ahead to a GREAT TRIBULATiON, as it is part of their program which they signed up for with God in Leviticus.

We , who are the body of Christ however, are the Ones who , thru the blessed hope of the rapture, will not be here when God is judging the rest of the world for unbelief.

These are not my thots, but Gods thots as revealed in the Word of God.

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Answer 4

Man, you sure use a lot of words to say a whole lot of nothing.

Answer 5

Don't worry about our petty squabbles on this planet, instead be concerned for your Eternal welfare. Amen.