Do you think there were seeds in the fruit from Eden? What about bugs? Did they die from sin?

Question

Seriously, Fruit as we know it is created by a tree so that it may contain seeds and reproduce, like all reproduction, because of the enevitability of death. If there was no death, things must have been totally different. It must have been like not having gravity, so trees could not have been hit by lightning and fall. Was there lightning back then? Was nature still nature without the law or theory of death like that of gravity? Is there is symbolic viewpoint of this subject?

Genesis 9 to 13:
"And God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear.' And it was so. God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good. And God said, "Let the earth put forth vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind upon the earth.' And it was so. The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, a third day."
I guess there is an answer in the bible, of some of these questions.

I can't find scripture about the rain from the flood being the first rain, and I find this hard to believe or imagine.
Did God explain what rain was to Noah? I thought the people did not believe because it was like claiming the sky is falling. There was never a 40 day flood maybe but no rain? Are you all sure? No lightning? Are you sure anybody?

More hints; "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is upon the face of the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food. And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food."
So we did Adam and Eve did kill animals for food. So there was that type of death. There must be another type of death that is symbolic about Man's sin, and exile from Eden. So symbology is shown from the first book. Maybe nature and death have always been the same way, only our perception has changed because of sin.

Answer 1

The Garden of Eden story is a Myth. Symbolic truth it has. Literal truth: NONE whatsoever. There are actually two separate and contradictory creation myths in Genesis. The Adam and Eve story is by far the older of the two. The first one, the six days of Creation is much more sophisticated, than the crude narrative of Adam and Eve, but still it is flawed throughin and throughout. To have plants created before the Sun, Moon and Stars is dumb, even for the ancients. But to believe it now is almost beyond my imagination! The accounts may have seemed plausible to the ancient Israeli who were rather unsophisticated compared to Greeks and Babylonians, but there's no excuse for any educated person alive today to see these myths as anything other than what they are: myths. And the definition of myth is not "fairy tale" or "old wives tale" or "confabulation" but a story that expresses truth in symbolic form, but not literally. The standard of truth in reporting or journalistic ethic in those days was comparable to that of the National Enquirer or other tabloids which thrill us with tales like "Elvis is alive and well and orbiting the Earth in an alien Spaceship". Makes a fun story. Not very likely to be true. So a myth is fiction, but fiction of a special type. Not to entertain, but to instruct.

Ramakrishna's story about Shiva and the Snake expresses his idea about the doctrine of Ahimsa in a very effective way. But the story has no literal truth. It is a religious fiction with a moral point. That's all. The myths in the Torah are essentially the same thing.

Answer 2

I know there were -
Genesis 1
29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so

Inevitability.

MAN was made in the Image of God. Creation was not. It is a very sensible question. The food man was given was vegetarian to begin (see above verse). Plant life is not the kind of life we know of as human. In animals and humans the life is in the blood.

No there was no lightning before the fall. Because there was no rain. No thunder no storms. Before the flood even.

As for (example) insects - either they died or their sheer numbers would have covered the earth in a relatively short time. OR - they reproduced differently. We know Eve's reproductive system altered after the Fall.

Genesis 3
16 To the woman he said,
"I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you."

The honest answer is I do not know. I suspect the entire structure of DNA was damaged. After all the longevity of man reduced from hundreds (Methusela lived to 965) to 70 years.

There was gravity. But death entered due to sin. So I believe the reproduction of all things may have been altered.

Answer 3

I think we could take the example of Adam and Eve in they had the ability to reproduce. I would therefore assume that all living things would have the capacity to reproduce themselves.
However, all of nature was not like it is today. Such as, there was no rain prior to the Flood. The Earth was "watered by a mist from the ground" it says in Genesis. This is one of the reasons that people around Noah were so unbelieving of what he said would happen. Rain? There was no such thing.
I don't know what else was not normal by our current standads, but I'm sure there were many things.
As for your "bugs dying from sin" - you are correct. All of Creation was pulled into man's sin. "Cursed is the ground because of you......."

Answer 4

The fruit itself is unimportant. What is important is the decision to eat of that tree; partake of it, thereby abandoning God and living solely by faith in Him.

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is analogous to the law given to Israel by Moses, who wrote this account about that time. The people did not perceive what was really going on. They were a faithless, rebellious people who were therefore placed under the law where living by the law always led to condemnation and a death sentence; the "fruit" of the law.

The law served the purpose of keeping people under it until the coming of Christ, and the (re) establishing of faith in Him, leading to life as contrasted to living by the law resulting in death.

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. -- Galatians 3:19

Read the rest of the chapter.

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Answer 5

Finally; a thought-provoking question!

If you believe in the teachings of that book: If it were fruit, surely it had seeds -- and the tree had more fruit. But wasn't the tree hidden after they ate? How about if it was a mushroom? There are plenty of mushrooms still around and they surely make you "see things" in a different way. (I've heard; I never tried it myself.)

And bugs...maybe that's why "Lady Bugs" wear those lovely polka-dot dresses?

Answer 6

ok, so for the 1st area of your question, confident, Eve did understand concerning to the fruit; she knew precisely what could ensue, and due to this it took distinctive persuasion from a snake to get her to consume it. God does not enable them to die interior the backyard of Eden; it rather is via eating the fruit that they lost their immorality and doomed the human race. confident, she did think of the fruit could make her like God, with the aid of snake. even although, Adam and Eve lived very long. people existence spans, after them, began to get gradually shorter and shorter till 40 grow to be a real looking existence span. as we talk, all of us is as quickly as back residing longer and longer, having primary the culmination of temptation, and are actually striving to circumvent them. those clever all of us is those putting new age documents and not loss of existence in severe-velocity motor vehicle crashes or OD'ing on drugs.

Answer 7

I like this question alot, makes me think and ponder. I believed there were seeds, just because it said to be fruitful and multiply. I have not thought about bugs existing (I don't know). I will have to check in to see your other answers, this will be interesting to read. The atmosphere was different, so there may not have been lightening, but we know that gravity existed.

Answer 8

god didnt tell the bugs they couldnt eat so they wouldnt die from sin and adam and eve didnt die there probly was seeds but it wouldnt matter there was gravity and there was death but they wouldnt die of old age they died if some1 stabed them or something