Christians: Doesn't the Bible tell us that ONLY the FATHER is GOD?

Question

If Jesus is the son of GOD, doesn't that mean that the FATHER is GOD.

When Jesus was praying to the FATHER, he was praying to GOD.

The trinity was never known to the Jews, so ONLY the FATHER is GOD.

Answer 1

Good question. Here are some other scriptures to consider as well..............

IF JESUS IS GOD:

1. Why is he called the "firstborn" of all creation? Col. 1:15, Rev.3:14
Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

Revelation 3:14 "And to the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ce´a write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God,

2. Why did he say that he did not come of his "own initiative" but was sent? John 8:42, 1 John 4:9
John 8:42 Jesus said to them: "If God were YOUR Father, YOU would love me, for from God I came forth and am here. Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth.

1 John 4:9 By this the love of God was made manifest in our case, because God sent forth his only-begotten Son into the world that we might gain life through him.

3. Why did Jesus not know the "day and the hour" of the Great Tribulation but God did? Matt. 24:36
Matthew 24:36 "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.

4. Who did Jesus speak to in prayer?

5. How did he "appear before the person of God for us"? Heb. 9:24
Hebrews 9:24 For Christ entered, not into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us.

6. Why did Jesus say "the Father is greater than I am"? John 14:28, Php. 2:5, 6
John 14:28 YOU heard that I said to YOU, I am going away and I am coming [back] to YOU. If YOU loved me, YOU would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am.
Philippians 2:5-6 Keep this mental attitude in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.

7. Who spoke to Jesus at the time of his baptism saying "this is my son"? Matt. 3:17
Matthew 3:17 Look! Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: "This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved."
8. How could he be exalted to a superior position? Php. 2:9, 10
Philippians 2:9-10 For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground,

9. How can he be the "mediator between God and man"? 1Tim. 2:5
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

10. Why did Paul say the "the head of Christ is God"? 1Cor. 11:3
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I want YOU to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God.

11. Why did Jesus "hand over the Kingdom to his God" and "subject himself to God"? 1 Cor. 15:24, 28
1 Corinthians 15:24 Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.

1 Corinthians 15:28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.

12. Who does he refer to as "my God and your God"? John 20:17
John 20:17 Jesus said to her: "Stop clinging to me. For I have not yet ascended to the Father. But be on your way to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God.'"

13. How does he sit at God's right hand? Ps. 110:1, Heb. 10:12, 13 Psalm 110:1 The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is: "Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet."

Hebrews 10:12-13 But this [man] offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually and sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from then on awaiting until his enemies should be placed as a stool for his feet.

14. Why does John say "no man has seen God at any time"? John 1:18 John 1:18 No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him.

15. Why did not people die when they saw Jesus? Ex. 30:20
Exodus 30:20 When they go into the tent of meeting they will wash with water that they may not die, or when they go near the altar to minister in order to make an offering made by fire smoke to Jehovah.

16. How was Jesus dead and God alive at the same time? Acts 2:24
Acts 2:24 But God resurrected him by loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to continue to be held fast by it.

17. Why did he need someone to save him? Heb. 5:7
Hebrews 5:7 In the days of his flesh [Christ] offered up supplications and also petitions to the One who was able to save him out of death, with strong outcries and tears, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear.

18. Who is referred to prophetically at Prov. 8:22-31?
Proverbs 8:22-31 "Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. 23 From time indefinite I was installed, from the start, from times earlier than the earth. 24 When there were no watery deeps I was brought forth as with labor pains, when there were no springs heavily charged with water. 25 Before the mountains themselves had been settled down, ahead of the hills, I was brought forth as with labor pains, 26 when as yet he had not made the earth and the open spaces and the first part of the dust masses of the productive land. 27 When he prepared the heavens I was there; when he decreed a circle upon the face of the watery deep, 28 when he made firm the cloud masses above, when he caused the fountains of the watery deep to be strong, 29 when he set for the sea his decree that the waters themselves should not pass beyond his order, when he decreed the foundations of the earth, 30 then I came to be beside him as a master worker, and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time, 31 being glad at the productive land of his earth, and the things I was fond of were with the sons of men.

19. Why did Jesus say "that all authority has been GIVEN to me in heaven and on earth"? Matt. 28:18, Dan. 7:13, 14 similar
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: "All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.

Daniel 7:13-14 "I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One. 14 And to him there were given rulership and dignity and kingdom, that the peoples, national groups and languages should all serve even him. His rulership is an indefinitely lasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom one that will not be brought to ruin.

20. Why did he have godly fear? Heb. 5:7
Hebrews 5:7 In the days of his flesh [Christ] offered up supplications and also petitions to the One who was able to save him out of death, with strong outcries and tears, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear.

21. How could he learn obedience and be made perfect? Heb. 5:8-9
Hebrews 5:8-9 Although he was a Son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered; 9 and after he had been made perfect he became responsible for everlasting salvation to all those obeying him,

22. Why would an angel be able to strengthen him or angels minister to him? Luke 22:43, Matt. 4:11
Luke 22:43 Then an angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him.

Matthew 4:11 Then the Devil left him, and, look! angels came and began to minister to him.

23. Why would Satan try to tempt him if he KNEW that he was GOD? Matt. 4:1-11
Matthew 4:1-11 Then Jesus was led by the spirit up into the wilderness to be tempted by the Devil. 2 After he had fasted forty days and forty nights, then he felt hungry. 3 Also, the Tempter came and said to him: "If you are a son of God, tell these stones to become loaves of bread." 4 But in reply he said: "It is written, ‘Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every utterance coming forth through Jehovah's mouth.'" 5 Then the Devil took him along into the holy city, and he stationed him upon the battlement of the temple 6 and said to him: "If you are a son of God, hurl yourself down; for it is written, ‘He will give his angels a charge concerning you, and they will carry you on their hands, that you may at no time strike your foot against a stone.'" 7 Jesus said to him: "Again it is written, ‘You must not put Jehovah your God to the test.'" 8 Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, 9 and he said to him: "All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me." 10 Then Jesus said to him: "Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.'" 11 Then the Devil left him, and, look! angels came and began to minister to him.

24. Jesus when sent to the earth was made to "be lower" than the angels. Heb. 2:7.
Hebrews 2:7 You made him a little lower than angels; with glory and honor you crowned him, and appointed him over the works of your hands.
How could any part of a God Head EVER be lower than the angels?

25. Then if Jesus was the same as God, who was he being tempted to rebel against? Could God be tempted to rebel against himself? Matt. 4:1
Matthew 4:1 Then Jesus was led by the spirit up into the wilderness to be tempted by the Devil.

26. Near the end of his earthly life, Jesus cried out "My God, why have you forsaken me?" Matt. 27:46
Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: "E´li, E´li, la´ma sa·bach·tha´ni?" that is, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Can God desert or forsake himself?

27. Heb. 5:8 says that Jesus learned obedience! To whom would he obey if he was GOD? And does God need to LEARN anything?
Hebrews 5:8 Although he was a Son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered;

28. God's justice is strictly perfect. Ex. 21:23-25
Exodus 21:23-25 But if a fatal accident should occur, then you must give soul for soul, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 branding for branding, wound for wound, blow for blow. for example. The ransom price was one perfect human for another. An imperfect man's life would be too low. Ps. 49:7
Psalm 49:7 Not one of them can by any means redeem even a brother, Nor give to God a ransom for him;

If Jesus was the same as God, the ransom price paid by a God would have been too high. Adam was a perfect MAN and the ransom price was a perfect MAN, not higher or lower.

Answer 2

Regarding Neptune's use of John 1:1.........
There are many Bible translations that have used "a god" at John 1:1c. The NWT is probably the most famous version, and perhaps the most attacked for it's translation. However, it is by no means alone in use of "a god"(or form thereof) at John 1:1. Most of the translations listed below are from translators who are actually believers in the trinity doctrine. So, ask yourself honestly, why these translators would choose to translate their Bibles in a way other than "the word was God"? Consider these please:

In a beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and a god was the Word.
(Interlineary Word for Word English Translation-Emphatic Diaglott)
Harwood, 1768, "and was himself a divine person"
Thompson, 1829, "the Logos was a god
Reijnier Rooleeuw, 1694, "and the Word was a god"
Hermann Heinfetter, 1863, [A]s a god the Command was"
Abner Kneeland, 1822, "The Word was a God"
Robert Young, 1885, (Concise Commentary) "[A]nd a God (i.e. a Divine Being) was the Word"
"In a beginning was the [Marshal] [Word] and the [Marshal] [Word] was with the God and the [Marshal] [Word] was a god." John 1:1 21st Century NT Literal
Belsham N.T. 1809 “the Word was a god”
1928: “and the Word was a divine being.” La Bible du Centenaire, L’Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel.
Leicester Ambrose, 1879, "And the logos was a god"
J.N. Jannaris, 1901, [A]nd was a god"
George William Horner, 1911, [A]nd (a) God was the word"
James L. Tomanec, 1958, [T]he Word was a God"
Siegfried Schulz, Das Evangelium nach Johannes, 1975, "And a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word"
Madsen, 1994, "the Word was a divine Being"
Becker, 1979, "a God/god was the Logos/logos"
Stage, 1907, The Word/word was itself a divine Being/being.
Holzmann, 1926, "a God/god was the Thought/thought"
Rittenlmeyer, 1938, "selbst ein Gott war das Wort" [itself a God/god was the Word/word]
Smit, 1960, the word of the world was a divine being
Schultz, 1987, a God/god (or: God/god of Kind/kind) was the Word/word].
John Crellius, Latin form of German, 1631, "The Word of Speech was a God"
Greek Orthodox /Arabic translation, 1983, "the word was with Allah[God] and the word was a god"
Robert Harvey, D.D., 1931 "and the Logos was divine (a divine being)"
Jesuit John L. McKenzie, 1965, wrote in his Dictionary of the Bible: "Jn 1:1 should rigorously be translated . . . 'the word was a divine being.'

Knowing that John 1:1 is a contraversial scripture, it would be best to review all the scriptures in the Bible, without a preconceived idiology, and discover who Jesus really is in relationship to his father.

Answer 3

In the beginning God was with the Word and the Word was God and the Word was with God, the Word was Jesus, Jesus always existed with God..

The Holy Spirit is the power if you will, They are one with The Father (God) and the Word, (Jesus) in other words they share the same Holy Spirit.

And the Word said let there be light and God created the light and saw that it was good, Jesus speaks and God does, this is how it is throughout Jesus always taught to ask of His Father, in His name, the name of Jesus...How do you know the trinity was never known to the Jews, and by the way there are more of God's chosen people than the Jewish tribe descending from the tribe of Judas there are twelve tribes that were God's chosen people, the descendents of Abraham, not all of them rebuked Jesus may followed and believed, the term "the Jews" is not correctly used today, because many were not of that tribe that is only one.

Answer 4

The "god" of the OT is little better than the godfather here on earth. He demands rivals are killed and tortured, all the while keeping his eye on the bottom line - money, control and power. He is guilty of ordering the executions of many but because, once in awhile, pretends to be lovable, all that misery he caused becomes insignificant? You cannot order the wholesale slaughter of an entire village, (with the virgins spared to act as sex slaves for the soldiers by "god's" command) and then claim you are love incarnate. This is the mindset of a psychopath... the drunk who beats his wife and then claims, "See what you made me do?" No different with Yaldabaoth/Yahweh. The mindset of a preschooler and millions worldwide who can twist any verse within their Bible to suit their agenda. The notion that this god is omniscient and omnipresent is nonsense in the extreme, let alone any type of spiritual guide or teacher. If we took the same actions as it ordered, we would be spending a very painful life in prison... unless we are ridiculously wealthy and can buy our freedom or a scapegoat. If the verses from Corinthians is accurate, then "god" cannot be love, in any way. All it knows is force and coercion, the carrot and the stick, love me or else....

Answer 5

The Godhead is composed of three entities, each with the same divine nature. You have God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. All are eternal and share the same divine characteristics. Think about this. You go down to the lake on a crisp winter morning. What do you see? You see vapor coming from off the top of the lake, you see that the lake is frozen, u poke a hole in the ice and you see water. All three of these are water although they take different forms. This is the same with the members of the Godhead. All are God, but each has His work to do.

Answer 6

While I am not a Christian, I agree that the non-Trinitarian view of God seems more sensible. You might want to look at the non-Trinitarian versions of Christianity.

I would suggest looking into these Christian churches which are all non-Trinitarian: Jehovah's Witnesses, Christadelphians, Bible Students, American Unitarian Conference, Arian Catholic Church, Oneness (or Apostolic) Pentecostal, UU (Unitarian Universalist) Christian Fellowship, etc. Swedenborgianism (look up Swedenborg on Wikipedia) was also non-Trinitarian. I also believe the churches that sprang from Herbert Armstrong and retained his teachings are also non-Trinitarian (or unitarian - small "u").

While it is true that LDS Mormons do not believe in the Trinity, they have a doctrine of Godhead and eternal progression which is more polytheistic than monotheistic.

Answer 7

John 1:1-5
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came to be through him, and without him nothing came to be. What came to be through him was life, and this life was the light of the human race; the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."

Jesus is the Word made flesh, the incarnate God.

Answer 8

Jesus said God is One. Read all of scriptures instead of just little bits and pieces of it.

Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Answer 9

“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one! Deuteronomy 6:4

This was and still is said in Jewish services.

And I do believe this, however, though God is ONE, he OFTEN says WE this and WE that throughout the OT. Thus the Godhead is a WE. He is 3 persons in ONE GOD. No one can understand this, NO ONE can understand the mind of God, so don't ask how this could be? Only God knows!!!

Answer 10

true, good point

Answer 11

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