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2007-12-29 01:18:08 · 33 answers · asked by Eric C 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Where do Catholics get this clame from then ?

2007-12-29 01:25:00 · update #1

Im seeing a lot of people saying Peter is the rock but, your mistaken, Jesus is the rock read 1 Cor 3 verse 11

2007-12-31 10:18:12 · update #2

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Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. And I also say to you that you are Peter [Petros, the Greek word used here, means a diminutive rock or stone; you can look this up in an interlinear Bible or in other Bible helps], and on this [petra, the large form of that same word, meaning a great big rock mountain or a great foundation rock] I will build My church [It was not Peter's church. Peter was not the head of the church, Christ is the head of the Church, as Scripture states clearly in Eph. 1:22-23 and many other places.], and the gates of [hell] Hades [hades means the grave. There will never cease to be people who are in God's true Church. It was to be a small Church-a scattered Church called the "little flock," but it would never be stamped out. And the hope of all true Christians is what? The resurrection from the dead.] shall not prevail against it."

The gates of the grave will not prevail against God's people. The gates of the grave will not prevail against God's Church.

Matt. 16:19

"And I will give you [He told Peter.] the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

This is a rabbinical phrase meaning that Peter is the leader of the Apostles. That is, they could apply the Law of God to various situations and make a decision as to how to carry out its principles. They were not to make new laws. They were not to change God's Laws, but they were able to make binding and loosing decisions in the Church of God. That was proper, as long as they stuck with God's Laws, which many in the false church that developed did not do.

Matt. 16:20-21

Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ. From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed [He knew that He was going to be killed.], and be raised [again] the third day.

He let them know about the terrible suffering He would be going through. Notice what Peter does. Some people in one large denomination think that in these previous few verses Peter was made an infallible Pope who could make no wrong decisions. That is ridiculous! There has never been an infallible man, except Jesus Christ who was God in the flesh.

Matt. 16:22

Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, "Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!"

His attitude was: "I am going to punch them out, I will chop their heads off." In fact, Peter later did chop off the ear of the High Priest's servant-if you remember the story at the end of Christ's life when they came to take Him. Peter forgot Christ's teachings about trusting God and about being non-violent.

Matt. 16:22-23

"Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!" But He turned and said to Peter, [Christ in turn had to rebuke Peter.] "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."

In effect He told Peter: "You are wrong, you are carnal" and "you are just mindful of the things of men." Peter was not made an infallible Pope. He was not any Pope at any time.

Matt. 16:24

Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me."

Since then, those who thought they were sitting on the throne of Peter have exalted themselves and even lived in huge palaces, as if to exalt themselves like they are a veritable god. But, Jesus told His true servants: "Humble yourselves and serve the people." Notice what Jesus said:

Matt. 16:24-25

"…let him deny himself, and take up his cross [Go through trials and tests and suffering and follow Me.] and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it."

Each of us ought to realize this. We need to be trying to give our lives to God. We need to take a balanced view, of course, and God wants us to. We should try to have the normal clothes and look all right for whatever positions we have. Try to get enough sleep and food and exercise so you can continue to serve God. Honor God in those ways-yes! But, don't just try to take things unto yourself for the sake of doing that. And be careful that you don't draw the line in the wrong place. Be careful, and be humble.

The RCC claimed that Peter was their "first Pope" and had authority of heaven on earth, so the RCC could also claim their authority as the only true church of God......This in and of itself is blasphemy and an abomination to say the least.

2007-12-29 01:40:53 · answer #1 · answered by TIAT 6 · 4 7

I asked a similar question recently...
Peter did not go to Rome to be the Apostle to the Gentiles, it was Paul. None of Christ's followers sought out to be world leaders like the Pope had become. In fact, there were no popes until around the time of Constantine of Rome...he raised the bishop of Rome to be the first Pope, some 300+ years after the time of Christ, and the Apostles. The "Universal Church" did not exist until then either. The doctrine of the papacy is not based on the Word of God, but came as a warning in prophecy by Daniel, Jesus, and John.

2007-12-29 15:03:18 · answer #2 · answered by Jalapinomex 5 · 3 1

Peter grew to become into not in any respect a "Pope". in reality on the final supper while the apostles puzzled who among them grew to become into the main suitable Jesus mentioned it grew to become into to not be like that with them, the main suitable may well be he who grew to become into the main suitable servant. The term "pope" did not have any meaning till 325 advert while the Church grew to become into placed under the 4 patriarchates of Rome, Alexandria, Antioch and Ephesus, all being equivalent and none being situation to a various. As is evidenced by the minutes of the Council of Nicea. although years later while Rome desperate to usurp authority over the entire Church they began a scientific attack on the different church homes and producing amended debts of what were till now desperate. quickly later, Peter grew to become into all of sudden declared their Pope, in spite of the undeniable fact that he wasn't even area of the founding of the Church of Rome, Paul grew to become into. Peter in basic terms went there, and died there, to help unfold the be conscious.

2016-12-11 15:43:43 · answer #3 · answered by maritza 4 · 0 0

It doesn't. Catholics have believed the heirarchy of their cult instead of reading the Word for themselves. The heirarchy has any number of other writings which they hold to be true that are not Holy Scripture. It is a political/religious system well established when the Holy Bible was not available to the common man and was orchestrated by those in power with agendas that promoted their power further. The Protestant movement was born from Christians who studied the scriptures for themselves and found the oppression of the Catholic heirarchy was self-serving and just wrong in doctrines. I find it fascinating that it remains in force in the more established societies like America, when the Holy Bible is so available to everyone. Perhaps it will be the one world religion in the end times and the anti-Christ will come from it's ranks......who knows? It serves some purpose or God would have wiped it out by now. Even Judas served a purpose in the plan of redeeming mankind.

2007-12-29 01:36:41 · answer #4 · answered by Joyful Noise 5 · 9 4

Acts Chapter 10
25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
DOES THIS MAN ACT AS THE POPE WOULD?

Granny Annie, Sister if you will look at John 20:23 you will see that this power was meant for all of them, not just one man.When Jesus spoke to the apostles, He was speaking to the Church that the gates of hell would not prevail against, Matthew 18:15-17.Not long after this the gates of hell did prevail against Peter.Peter denying Him with cursing and cussing.

2007-12-29 01:40:02 · answer #5 · answered by don_steele54 6 · 6 3

It does not, this is one false teaching among many put out by the Roman Catholic Church. The first Pope was not named until 607AD . Peter was a Jew , It is inconceivable that a Jew would start a church that would end up persecuting Jews to the death in the Crusades, the Inquisition and who sat by and watched as Hitler incinerated 6 million in the Holocaust.

2007-12-29 01:31:22 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 7 4

Wasn't Paul who was beheaded in Rome by Nero in 67 AD and was regarded as the first Bishop of the Church as for the title of Pope were not thought of until 350 AD or there abouts give or take 50 years.

The Apostle Peter/Simon was crucified by the Romans upside down is all I know so they made him a Saint later on.

2007-12-29 01:33:22 · answer #7 · answered by Drop short and duck 7 · 4 5

To “make sure of all things,” as the Bible says we must, it is vital to search the Scriptures to find out how Peter himself understood Jesus’ words. Did Peter really think he was the petra, the rock-mass foundation? On the contrary! He understood that foundation to be Christ himself: “Then Peter, filled with holy spirit, said to them: ‘ . . . in the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you impaled but whom God raised up from the dead, by this one does this man stand here sound in front of you. This is “the stone which was treated by you builders as of no account that has become chief cornerstone”.’”—1 Thess. 5:21; Acts 4:8-12, NW.

2007-12-29 01:25:55 · answer #8 · answered by papa G 6 · 7 3

Peter is the Rock on which the Church is Built
Mark 3:16; John 1:42 – Jesus renames Simon "Kepha" in Aramaic which literally means "rock." This was an extraordinary thing for Jesus to do, because "rock" was not even a name in Jesus' time. Jesus did this, not to give Simon a strange name, but to identify his new status among the apostles. When God changes a person's name, He changes their status.

Gen. 17:5; 32:28; 2 Kings 23:34; Acts 9:4; 13:9 - for example, in these verses, we see that God changes the following people's names and, as a result, they become special agents of God: Abram to Abraham; Jacob to Israel, Eliakim to Jehoiakim, Saul to Paul.

2 Sam. 22:2-3, 32, 47; 23:3; Psalm 18:2,31,46; 19:4; 28:1; 42:9; 62:2,6,7; 89:26; 94:22; 144:1-2 - in these verses, God is also called "rock." Hence, from these verses, non-Catholics often argue that God, and not Peter, is the rock that Jesus is referring to in Matt. 16:18. This argument not only ignores the plain meaning of the applicable texts, but also assumes words used in Scripture can only have one meaning. This, of course, is not true. For example:

1 Cor. 3:11 - Jesus is called the only foundation of the Church, and yet in Eph. 2:20, the apostles are called the foundation of the Church. Similarly, in 1 Peter 2:25, Jesus is called the Shepherd of the flock, but in Acts 20:28, the apostles are called the shepherds of the flock. These verses show that there are multiple metaphors for the Church, and that words used by the inspired writers of Scripture can have various meanings. Catholics agree that God is the rock of the Church, but this does not mean He cannot confer this distinction upon Peter as well, to facilitate the unity He desires for the Church.

Matt. 16:18 - Jesus said in Aramaic, you are "Kepha" and on this "Kepha" I will build my Church. In Aramaic, "kepha" means a massive stone, and "evna" means little pebble. Some non-Catholics argue that, because the Greek word for rock is "petra", that "Petros" actually means "a small rock", and therefore Jesus was attempting to diminish Peter right after blessing him by calling him a small rock. Not only is this nonsensical in the context of Jesus' blessing of Peter, Jesus was speaking Aramaic and used "Kepha," not "evna." Using Petros to translate Kepha was done simply to reflect the masculine noun of Peter.

Moreover, if the translator wanted to identify Peter as the "small rock," he would have used "lithos" which means a little pebble in Greek. Also, Petros and petra were synonyms at the time the Gospel was written, so any attempt to distinguish the two words is inconsequential. Thus, Jesus called Peter the massive rock, not the little pebble, on which He would build the Church. (You don’t even need Matt. 16:18 to prove Peter is the rock because Jesus renamed Simon “rock” in Mark 3:16 and John 1:42!).

Matt. 16:17 - to further demonstrate that Jesus was speaking Aramaic, Jesus says Simon "Bar-Jona." The use of "Bar-Jona" proves that Jesus was speaking Aramaic. In Aramaic, "Bar" means son, and "Jonah" means John or dove (Holy Spirit). See Matt. 27:46 and Mark 15:34 which give another example of Jesus speaking Aramaic as He utters in rabbinical fashion the first verse of Psalm 22 declaring that He is the Christ, the Messiah. This shows that Jesus was indeed speaking Aramaic, as the Jewish people did at that time.

Matt. 16:18 - also, in quoting "on this rock," the Scriptures use the Greek construction "tautee tee" which means on "this" rock; on "this same" rock; or on "this very" rock. "Tautee tee" is a demonstrative construction in Greek, pointing to Peter, the subject of the sentence (and not his confession of faith as some non-Catholics argue) as the very rock on which Jesus builds His Church. The demonstrative (“tautee”) generally refers to its closest antecedent (“Petros”). Also, there is no place in Scripture where “faith” is equated with “rock.”

Matt. 16:18-19 - in addition, to argue that Jesus first blesses Peter for having received divine revelation from the Father, then diminishes him by calling him a small pebble, and then builds him up again by giving him the keys to the kingdom of heaven is entirely illogical, and a gross manipulation of the text to avoid the truth of Peter's leadership in the Church. This is a three-fold blessing of Peter - you are blessed, you are the rock on which I will build my Church, and you will receive the keys to the kingdom of heaven (not you are blessed for receiving Revelation, but you are still an insignificant little pebble, and yet I am going to give you the keys to the kingdom).

Matt. 16:18-19 – to further rebut the Protestant argument that Jesus was speaking about Peter’s confession of faith (not Peter himself) based on the revelation he received, the verses are clear that Jesus, after acknowledging Peter’s receipt of divine revelation, turns the whole discourse to the person of Peter: Blessed are “you” Simon, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to “you,” and I tell “you,” “you” are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church. I will give “you” the keys to the kingdom, and whatever “you” bind and loose on earth will be bound and loosed in heaven. Jesus’ whole discourse relates to the person of Peter, not his confession of faith.

Matt. 16:13 - also, from a geographical perspective, Jesus renames Simon to rock in Caesarea Philippi near a massive rock formation on which Herod built a temple to Caesar. Jesus chose this setting to further emphasize that Peter was indeed the rock on which the Church would be built.

Matt. 7:24 - Jesus, like the wise man, builds His house on the rock (Peter), not on grain of sand (Simon) so the house will not fall.

Luke 6:48 - the house (the Church) built upon the rock (Peter) cannot be shaken by floods (which represent the heresies, schisms, and scandals that the Church has faced over the last 2,000 years). Floods have occurred, but the Church still remains on its solid rock foundation.

Matt. 16:21 - it is also important to note that it was only after Jesus established Peter as leader of the Church that He began to speak of His death and departure. This is because Jesus had now appointed His representative on earth.

John 21:15 - Jesus asks Peter if he loves Jesus "more than these," referring to the other apostles. Jesus singles Peter out as the leader of the apostolic college.

John 21:15-17 - Jesus selects Peter to be the chief shepherd of the apostles when He says to Peter, "feed my lambs," "tend my sheep," "feed my sheep." Peter will shepherd the Church as Jesus’ representative.

Luke 22:31-32 - Jesus also prays that Peter's faith may not fail and charges Peter to be the one to strengthen the other apostles - "Simon, satan demanded to have you (plural, referring to all the apostles) to sift you (plural) like wheat, but I prayed for you (singular) that your (singular) faith may not fail, and when you (singular) have turned again, strengthen your brethren.

Acts 1,2,3,4,5,8,15 - no one questions Peter's authority to speak for the Church, declare anathemas, and resolve doctrinal debates. Peter is the rock on which the Church is built who feeds Jesus’ sheep and whose faith will not fail.

2007-12-31 03:55:05 · answer #9 · answered by Daver 7 · 0 0

John 21:15-17 states:

When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Feed my lambs."

He then said to him a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" He said to him, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." He said to him, "Tend my sheep."

He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love me?" Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, "Do you love me?" and he said to him, "Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you." (Jesus) said to him, "Feed my sheep.

Matthew 16:17-19 states:

Jesus said to him in reply, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

The Catholic Church believes the Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the "rock" of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.

The Pope is the senior pastor of 1.1 billion Catholics, the direct successor of Simon Peter.

The Pope’s main roles include teaching, sanctifying, and governing.

For more information, see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, section 880-882: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt3art9p4.htm#880

With love in Christ.

2007-12-29 15:30:18 · answer #10 · answered by imacatholic2 7 · 1 1

No were but Peter was on Roman land,remember back then the Roman Empire stretched alomst everywere.

2007-12-29 01:39:05 · answer #11 · answered by Seb 2 · 1 3

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