Reading the bible, Jesus was crucified because of supposed "blasphemy" and rejection by many of the Jewish

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peoples yet Christians state he chose to "die" for us? If he set himself up to be killed by rebelling against known authorities, did he not set himself up to commit suicide at the hands of authority just so he could be a martyr?

Answer 1

Please ignore people who quote anything from Psalms or anywhere else in the Jewish bible as pointing to "Jesus", as these are mistranslations of what is there in the Hebrew and are misinterpretations, and do not refer to Jesus whatsoever.

By the way, it wasn't blasphemy to call oneself the "son of God" back then in the Jewish community - the Church lies about this in the new testament. This was even a pretty common greeting among Jews at that time. Nor would even have been claiming to BE God been seen as blasphemy, rather it would have been understood that this person had probably lost his mind and he would have been locked up in that era's equivalent of today's nutward while the Rabbis and doctors tried to figure out how to cure him - and that wouldn't include stoning him to death or killing him.

Lovely, the way the Church lies about all this, isn't it. It also lies about the Pharisees, who were not in the least corrupted but were the common man's representatives and made sure that the widows and orphans were taken care of, and that society's laws were fairly applied to all. It was the Saducees who were corrupted and were the rich man's representatives and just like today's politicians, rotten to the core. There are no longer any descendents of the Saducees today.

The entire new testament lies quite a lot about Jews and Judaism of that era, and it is quite a work of antisemitism. It has the supposed Messiah referring to Gentiles as swine and dogs (don't throw your pearls before swine, and the woman who came for help and Jesus replied saying should he throw food to the dogs), which actually shows that Jesus was not even close to being the Messiah, as the real Messiah wouldn't have the type of character to even be able to say something like that in the first place, nor would he. It's disgusting and meant to turn Gentiles against the Jews, that's why the Church inserted it into the new testament.

And it just goes on and on and on. The Jews are blind, etc. All meant to keep the Church's followers from listening to the Jews or the teachings of the Torah, and to keep the Church's followers coming to the Church along with their money and property. And of course, any antisemitism it teaches that would help Church followers murder Jews has always been just fine and acceptable, get the Jews out of the way.

Which brings up an interesting point. There is no such thing as a Messiah who serves as a human/god virgin blood sacrifice for sin, in Judaism. This comes from ancient paganistic religions which practiced human sacrifice, and this concept was adopted by the Church.

Now, the Church knew very well that no such concept ever existed in Judaism - so WHY did it make it's symbol a JEW hanging dead on a cross? When no such concept exists in the first place as a Messiah who is to die for people's sins? A dead JEW for people to see?

If people really believed that Jesus who was supposedly Jewish, was to die for their sins, why then has there been no fear whatsoever on their parts about murdering his blood brothers and sisters by the millions over the past 2000 years? You'd think they'd be scared crapless to kill the Messiah's blood brothers and sisters, but nope. Why?

Because the dead Jew hanging in their churches is nothing but a teaching that a dead Jew is a good Jew, go kill them. The Church has ALWAYS known that there is no such concept in Judaism as a Messiah who dies for anyone's sins. So it hoists a dead Jew up there as an example to other Jews, beware.

Answer 2

Yes and no.
Jesus did deliberately defy certain authorities and put himself into danger, but in much the same way that Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. did when they fought for equality and social justice, so it wasn't something that was stupid, egotistical, or pointless. For starters, there is no evidence in either the Bible or the works of any contemporary historians that Jesus was an insurrectionist. All the stories about him seem to indicate that he was quite non-political and didn't challenge the Romans, but he did express open and heated dissent towards the Jewish priesthood. From a strictly secular viewpoint, I would say that Jesus was a progressive and humanistic social activist who was fed up with the abuses and corruption of the Jewish religious leaders and their corrupt hierarchy. The priests of his time were using the Jewish religion as a business to line their own pockets by charging the Jewish common people all kinds of ridiculous fees just for the privilege of worshipping and sacrificing to God at the temples (the Catholic church later on wasn't much different). Jesus spoke out against this practice and proclaimed to everybody that a person could pray and speak to God directly, without needing priests or sacrifices or any of those temple rituals. This teaching, of course, threatened the priests' source of income so it's no wonder that the Sanhedrin high priest Caiaphas considered Jesus a dangerous troublemaker and encouraged the Roman authorities to get rid of him. Bits and pieces of historical records indicate that Pontius Pilate was a typically cruel and pragmatic Roman administrator who would have had no problem with executing an innocent man if that's what it took to maintain order and keep his cronies happy..

Answer 3

Well, it's easy to prove ANY thing when you snip this and that, and pay no attention whatsoever to the REST of the Scriptures. A friend of mine told me that before he became a Christian, he would actually use Scriptures to justify getting drunk!!!! No, you are so extreemely wrong, I don't even know where to begin to correct you. I'll just give you 3 passages: 1. Yes, it is true that Jesus said "There is none good but God". But didn't you also read that Jesus said "I am the GOOD shepherd"? Jesus said He IS good, thus implying that He is GOD! 2. Jesus asked his followers, "Who do you think I am?" One of them blurted out, "You are the anointed Son of God". If YOU had been there, you would have told him he was wrong. What did Jesus say? "You are RIGHT", again implying that He IS the anointed Son of God! How come you're so blind that YOU can't see what the disciple of Jesus saw? 3. When Jesus was on trial, the high priest asked him, "Are you the son of the living God?" If YOU had been there, YOU would have said, "No, he's only a messenger." But what did Jesus say? He said "It is as you just said", implying that Jesus claimed to be the Son of the living God! The high priest understood this. He tore his priestly robes and cried out "BLASPHEMY!" How come you're so blind that YOU can't see what the high priest saw? Three more items. Direct quotes from Jesus claiming to the be Son of God: 1. "For God so loved this world that He gave HIS ONLY SON that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. When God sent HIS SON into the world, it was not to condemn the world, but to save it. Whoever believes that God sent HIS SON into the world shall not be condemned, but whoever does NOT believe that God sent HIS SON into the world is condemned already." 2. Jesus said, "You believe in God, now believe also in me" (That means the same as "Whatever you believe about God, believe the same thing about me") 3. One of the disciples of Jesus asked him, "Just show us the Father, and that will suffice," to which Jesus answered, "Have I been so long with you, and you STILL don't understand? When you've seen ME, you've seen the Father!" Should I go on? Or will it be wasted on a wicked heart? "He who has ears, hear what the Spirit says ... " One additional comment: When (not if) you try to tell us that those Scriptures were added or changed from the original, I can say the same thing about the koran, that those passages that refute that Jesus is Lord was changed from the original. It's a cheap shot, and doesn't work. You might as well go get stinkin' drunk and then claim the Bible told you to do that, like my friend used to do. You can justify your way into believing anything you want, but, hey - gravity still works, no matter what you think. The Bible is still true, and it WILL judge you! OH, yet some more comments: You said: •Mathew A-V {7:21} Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Jesus said, "The will of the Father is to believe that He sent me"

Answer 4

Jesus never said "I've come to die for your sins." I'm not a Christian but my guess is that his disciples and followers were shocked that he died, and within a few years they made that part of the story, part of his mission.

Jesus was killed for criticizing the corruption of the leaders of his own religion. The high priests of the Temple, the leaders of Judaism at that time, were actually appointed by the Romans. They were as much political leaders as spiritual leaders and they conflated a political message with their spiritual one. This cheesed Jesus off and he criticized it so they put him out of the way.

But history has a way of repeating itself. Human nature is unchanging, after all. Today we have many Christian leaders in the US who do the same thing, they push a political message for their own wealth and fame. If Jesus came back today preaching the same thing, he'd be just as angry with the hypocrisy of the Falwells and Robertsons and Dobsons of the world. And they would be first in line to hang him up again.

Answer 5

He set himself up because He was operating as both the Great High Priest and the Sacrifice for sin. The closest analogy is a soldier in combat falling on a grenade to save his squad.

Answer 6

No. The whole thing is laid out in the Old Testament.He was fulfilling those prophecies.Yes,He did choose to die a sinners death for the Joy it would bring .1) By His resurrection.2) By now allowing people to go to Heaven instead of just Paradise.

Answer 7

He spoke the words of God. Since the known authorities were blind to who he was they crucified him. Because he was God, he had the power to stop them. Because he was God he had the power to kill all of them, yet he didn't. The sacrifice needed to be innocent and sinless.

Yes, he knew he would die. He chose to accept this death. No one could have killed him, had not God willed it and allowed it. But that is the nature of sacrifice.

Answer 8

Preaching on the day of Pentecost Peter declared this:

"this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death, but God raised Him up again...."
Acts 2:23-24

God knew exactly what men would do if He sent His Son, but He used their very rebellion to effect their salvation. If you repent and believe, God will give you the gift of eternal life.
I know whereof I speak. I have received this gift myself, over 35 years ago.

Answer 9

Jesus was crucified because he voluntarily gave up his eternal life for the salvation of the world. The Pharisees and Pontius Pilate could do nothing were it not the will of God.

The next time he comes for vengeance

I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Answer 10

Jesus "went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him" (Acts 10:38), but His preaching and example convicted people in their hearts of sin, of righteousness and judgment, and thus they sought to destroy Him. Though Jesus know what would happen, He did not force them to do so, neither was He forced to give up His life, and though He could have delivered Himself, He chose not to.

This is like a soldier choosing to take a dangerous mission to rescue his friends, which likely means he himself will not get back, but he chooses anyway. To do so is not suicide, as
he does not force others to kill him, nor does his death happen because he took it himself, rather it depends upon the actions of others.

(John 10:18) "No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."

(Mat 26:52-53) "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. {53} Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?"

(Gal 2:20) "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."