Liberals do you agree with Thomas Jefferson, Yes or No?

Question

"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government."

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

"If God is just, I tremble for my country."

"It is our duty still to endeavor to avoid war; but if it shall actually take place, no matter by whom brought on, we must defend ourselves. If our house be on fire, without inquiring whether it was fired from within or without, we must try to extinguish it. "

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. "

Thomas Jefferson

After all he did establish the Democrat party.

Answer 1

Not a liberal. Agree with him so much it hurts.

Answer 2

yes, I also agree with him when he said:

Were the money which it has cost to gain, at the close of a long war. a little territory...expended in improving what they already possess, in making roads, opening rivers, building ports, improving the arts and finding employment for the idle poor, it would render the {the nations} much stronger, healthier and happier. This I hope will be our wisdom.

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without a rebellion.

If there be one principle more deeply rooted than any other in the mind of every American, it is that we should have nothing to do with conquest.

I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.

I know of no safe repository of the ultimate power of society but the people. And if we think them not enlightened enough, the remedy is not to take the power from them, but to inform them by education.

Experience declares that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term...to the general prey of the rich on the poor.

The spirit of this country is totally adverse to a large military force.

Thomas Jefferson

Answer 3

"...After all he did establish the Democrat party..."

It's DemocratIC to you, buddy.

Also, Jefferson established the Democratic-Republican Party, whose platform was based on the idea of republicanism, a view that certain inalienable rights that cannot be voted away by a majority of voters (popular democracy). The modern-day Democratic Party did not form until 1824 by Jacksonian populists.

The ideologies of both the Democrats and Republicans are far different today than they were even 40 years ago, moreso almost two centuries ago.

Answer 4

Are we all really going to pretend we all agree with the founding fathers on everything? so...we're just going to conveniently forget that they owned slaves? And believed in treating women as property?

Many of the famous founding fathers even disagreed amongst themselves on many issues. There are certain parts of this quote that I disagree with. There are some I agree with, especially the part about endeavoring to avoid war. I suppose you see that as an argument in favor of this war. Please bare in mind that many of us find it very questionable that we are in a war with a country that it would seem had no part in 911, and who did not have WMDs, to "defend ourselves."

I especially like this Thomas Jefferson quote, which jpen (above) also posted:

Experience demands that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor.
Thomas Jefferson

Answer 5

Yes .....
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
Thomas Jefferson
Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.
Thomas Jefferson
Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.
Thomas Jefferson
Experience demands that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor.
Thomas Jefferson
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs.
Thomas Jefferson
I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
Thomas Jefferson

I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion.
Thomas Jefferson
I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.
Thomas Jefferson

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains.
Thomas Jefferson
PROGRESSIVE TAXES
"The property of this country is absolutely concentred in a very few hands, having revenues of from half a million of guineas a year downwards... I am conscious that an equal division of property is impracticable. But the consequences of this enormous inequality producing so much misery to the bulk of mankind, legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property, only taking care to let their subdivisions go hand in hand with the natural affections of the human mind. Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there is in any country, uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right. The earth is given as a common stock for man to labor and live on."

--Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, October 28,1785. ME 19:17, Papers 8:682

Answer 6

Sir "heretohelp"... like most uninformed leftists... doesn't know the term "neocon" was coined by neoprogressive leftists [James Carvel in particular] as a pajoritive to refer to the classic liberals they kicked out of the undemocratic party [except for Lieberman... who they tried and failed to kick out].

More decent polemics referred to classic liberals as Reagan Democrats.

Though that's all the left has to offer to the public dialog is sophmoric rhetoric and adominum attacks [politics of personal destruction]

The problem with that political exodus is the classic liberals brought their big spending habits with them.

The hijacking of the undemocratic party by the neoprogressives was poigniantly made by Reagan when he answered the question " why did you change parties? ... and he replied... " I didn't change parties... my party changed"

None of the candidates on the GOP tickets are authentic republicans or authentic concervative [Goldwater] republicans... they're at best RINOS [Republicans In Name Only]

Ron Paul is a RINO as well since his politics have a heavy libertarian bias.

I'm a libertarian with a capital "C" as Hayek, Freedman, and Greenspan.

Though the libertarian party has become a joke too now since it has been taken over by marxist anarchists who want a revolution and pot heads who want to legalize drugs.

As such... we're now screwed!... since we're stuck with two parties that have been [and will continue to be] big spenders... competing with each other as to who can promise the most to the takers... inorder to stay in power

It's all down hill from here!!!

e7.2521

P.S. The neoprogressives [neoliberals ] will out spend the neocons [classic liberals] hands down , no matter what phony positon they take answering the subject question, because they're committed socialists.

Moreover... as most leftists who only know revisionist history... don't know that Jefferson is referred to as the father of the democratic [now undemocratic] party.

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-I, Robot-

It's the undemocratic party now... back at you!

And for "THOSE INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH" as to why the republicans left the democratic-republican party to establish their own republican party... read the pending class action law suit [CV04-2442] against the current undemocratic party...

http://www.blackconservative.net/CivilSuitReparations.html

Now ask yourselves why no one in the media has not even mentioned that lawsuit. Could it be that the undemocratic party has the overwhelming majority of the media in their pockets? The answer is a resounding "YES"... and it's called "MEDIA BIAS"

Answer 7

Jefferson was a wise man....

Unfortunately, he never met anyone like George Bush or Dick Cheney, Rummy or the rest of them.

If he had, they probably would have been shot as traitors.

Answer 8

Yes.

Conservative, do you agree with Thomas Jefferson, Yes or No?

"The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ."

"Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies."

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."

-Thomas Jefferson

Answer 9

One man does not make a country.

Indep that likes to read question given to both sides.

Answer 10

yes,damn shame neocons dont