If Jesus died to save all sinners, can our salvation come after judgement day?

Question

I'm told Jesus saves all who believe in Him and accept Him as saviour.

Some people will accept Jesus now but most won't. God, therefore, knows the majority of His children will abandon Him during this lifetime. Then judgement day comes and many people will suddenly believe in Jesus. After judgement, everyone will accept Jesus in the afterlife, especially if they're in a lake of fire knowing why they're there. By this time everyone will bow down towards Jesus.

So then, who ever said Jesus' salvation suddenly ends on Judgement day? All I know is if you accept Jesus you will be saved, and in the afterlife people will have to accept Jesus especially if they're in pain. Even if the lake of fire is eternal/a long time, it doesn't mean anybody's going to STAY in it. If they're saved, they'll be let out.

Do you agree/disagree? References appreciated.

- If it's too late to receive God's mercy when we most need it (after death), then we can't say God's "all merciful". Many might say God doesn't love us, if God's really willing to banish us for eternity.

Answer 1

Why do you believe "Jesus saves all who believe in Him and accept him as as saviour" when Jesus himself says otherwise??

heres your evidence-gospel of John 4:22 :

Jesus confirms that salvation is by worshipping the One God of Israel, as understood by the Jews of the time. He never said “I am god. Worship me.” The verse is so clear:
"You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.

If salvation was to believe in a trinitarian god Jesus would have said so!

Heres another one from Mark 10:18-25

Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? | And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. | Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother." |
Matthew 19:16-26 (King James Version)
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16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Matthew 7:21 (New International Version)
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Or this passage:

21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven

Only by surrendering to the will of God (which means "Islam" in Arabic) will you enter life eternal and be saved.

Paul hijacked Christianity and turned it into a religion of worship of Jesus. the disciple Peter renounced Paul as an apostate when he found out the true extent of his heretical teachings. paul himself admits he lied about Jesus in order to spread his own (incorrect) version of the gospel.

“But if through my lie the truth of God abounded to His glory, why am I also still being judged as a sinner?” (Romans 3:7)

he never was a disciple. his only claim to Jesus was a self declared "vision" on the road to Damascus. this itself contains contradictions. see for yourself:

1. they "stood speechless, hearing the voice..." Acts 9:7
2. they "did not hear the voice..." Acts 22:9
3. "when we had all fallen to the ground..."Acts 26:14

you might turn around and say Jesus is the only begotten son of God but then thats not true either:

See this verse from Psalms 2:7
"I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." David, in this verse, is saying that God had told him he was the son of God and God has begotten him!

Heres your salvation if you want it from the Qur'aan the Lat Testament of god to mankind:
Quran 112:1-4
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him.

Quran 4:171
171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

“God is not a man that he should lie, neither the son of man that he should repent” (Num 23:19)

"Also the Glory of Israel will not lie or change His mind; for He is not a man that He should change His mind." (1 Samuel 15:29)
I will not execute My fierce anger; I will not destroy Ephraim again. For I am God and not man, the Holy One in your midst, And I will not come in wrath. (Hosea 11:9)

What is man, that he should be clean? and he which is born of a woman, that he should be righteous? Job 15:14
How then can man be justified (compared) with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman? Behold even to the moon, and it shines’ not; yea, the stars are not pure in his sight. How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm? (Job 25:4-6)

Isaiah 45:5"I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God.
Isaiah 45:6 That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other,

Only God can redeem humans:
Isaiah 45:21Declare and set forth your case; Indeed, let them consult together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has long since declared it? Is it not I, the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Saviour.

Answer 2

I've always been an SDA Christian. I believe that Jesus died on the Cross, and that there IS a Judgement day; teachings of The Bible.
Jesus said "Blessed are those who believe, yet have not seen". This is taken from the context when one of his 12 disciples, Thomas, did not believe that Jesus had risen from the grave.
SDA Christians do not believe in Afterlife. We believe evil is destroyed when Jesus destroys all evil.
Some believe in the "secret wrapture" when all who believe in Jesus are taken up to heaven and those classed as evil are left on the earth for a second chance. I do not personally believe this.
When Jesus comes, "Every eye shall see and every ear shall hear" He will come from the sky. I do not know how this is physicall possible, this is where faith comes in.
But i also find it true that Athiests seem to have more faith than me. Believeing that everything you see comes from "nothing"? Where did the first cell come in? Where did the reproduction of the first cell come in? We all have different finger prints - how is the possible in evolution? If evolution was to be true, then why is everybody so similar? If it was true, and that's a big if on my account, then wouldn't there be some creature still in the process of becoming a human from an ape?

Answer 3

No I do not agree, salvation is conditional and must be accepted during our lifetime, God has decreed that we must believe and accept His mercy while on Earth, there can be no further mercy after death if we reject Christ, it is not enough just to say we believe but we have to live our life in union with Christ and this means being faithful to His Gospel teaching.
Remember Jesus died to obtain forgiveness for our personal sin against God and this can only happen when we live as followers of Christ,sin cannot and will not be forgiven in the next life,by then it will be too late for God`s mercy and we shall instead be in the presence of His justice.

Answer 4

It is hard to address this level of confusion. It is appointed unto men once to die, and after that the judgment. Heb9:27. There will come a time when each persons choices are sealed. The close of probation. Rev.22:11. After this time, YHVH will make the final determination of who is righteous. (He needs to decide who He will resurrect with the Righteous) He brings the "reward" with Him. Rev22:12. If you are judged righteous, you will be among the saved who receive eternal life. If not, you will end up in the lake of fire which destroys sin and sinners, purifying the earth so the Messiah can make all things new. Rev 20:14-- Rev 21:5. I am aware that heathen have written into scriptures the idea of eternal torment. It is not compatible with the character of the Almighty. There are many texts in Scripture that say that the purifying fires are brief. My principle is- if Scripture seems ambivalent, the understandings of the translators are probably incorrect. They wrote in their ideas when Scripture was vague, but were forced to testify to the truth when scripture was clear.

Answer 5

If you believe in Jesus, that he died on the cross for all sins, and have asked him into your heart, you are saved. This does not mean you will never sin again during your lifetime, but it means that you are covered upon your death and will spend eternity with him. I think you are somewhat confused about the lake of fire. As I understand it, when you accept Christ, you are entered into the Book of Life, and on judgement day, when Jesus sees you are listed in there - you do not get cast into the lake of fire. That is for the unfortunate ones who are not listed. Christians undergo a different type of judgement, and although our sins are forgiven, it may affect the amount of reward you receive in heaven. Those you have repented of are wiped clean and not thought of, but the unrepented sins of a christian upon judgement day along with all your good works will be measured and reward handed out accordingly.

Answer 6

If Jesus is God and God is love (1 John 4:7) then we know that Jesus is love.

If you have love in your heart (sacrificial love) then you have accepted Jesus into your heart. Therefore you can be saved without ever knowing the name of Jesus Christ. Notice I didn't say that you will be saved but that you can be saved. Our eternal salvation is determined by the state of our heart and soul at the time of death. But there is no reason to believe that a non-christian is definitly in Hell simply because he was not a christian even though christianity is the truth and in Catholicism is found the fulness of truth revealed to us by God.

God Bless
Robin

Answer 7

It is nice to find an atheist who believes Jesus died to save us from our sin. You do have to study a little more however as what we are saved from is the POWER of sin which is death / separation from God, not from ever committing an act of sin again. That we sin is evident from God's Word which is why God has made provision for us in this regard; 1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. What you quote from Hebrews 10:26-27 is also correct. - If we deliberately KEEP on sinning .... The greek brings out that this is an ongoing matter, a way of life. When a Christian is regenerated by the Holy Spirit, they become a new creation, old things (their former way of life) pass away, behold all things become new. They are empowered by the Holy Spirit to live a life pleasing to God. This does not mean they will never sin again but it does mean their desire now, is to live a life pleasing to God, they desire to build up Christians, to help others in their walk with God, not to condemn and tear them down at every opportunity. The latter half of what you quote from Hebrews 10:26-27 is also true, that there is left only a fearful expectation of judgment and of a raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. The enemies of God are not Christians who are called "friends of God" but those who reject the Saviour.

Answer 8

No, they said eternal damnation and no other way around it.
During the time of death all the person has to do is ask for forgiveness and he will be save from eternal damnation. However for those who died too quick in the state of mortal sin and unable to ask for forgiveness, they go to hell. The forgiveness of sins supposedly became possible because Jesus died on the cross. Which make me think, (for catholic faith). Those who died with sin (not mortal sin) centuries before Jesus would have suffered in purgatory for a very very long time before getting save, even for a reason of very slight venial sin.

Answer 9

No, we are on the clock. You cannot accept Jesus in hell or second death. The reason Jesus has not come back yet is because there is still unfulfilled prophecy to be fulfilled in the book of Revelation.

You need to believe in the blood of Jesus Christ to forgive your sins as soon as possible, so you are ready because no one knows when Jesus will come back to earth.

God is love as it says in the book of 1 John. God will give you what you need. You just need to reach out to him, and believe in the sacrifice of Christ.

Answer 10

Your opportunity for Salvation ends the moment you draw your last breath. Your decision where you will spend eternity is made in this body.

TODAY IS THE DAY OF SALVATION!

Answer 11

How can killing a person make the bad thing others did go away, makes absolutely no sense what soever to me.
We each are each responsible for our own doings, not any body else, that makes sense to me!