Have I got the Salvation thing figured out yet?

Question

God, a perfect being, created humans who are imperfect
Imperfect humans chose to rebel against their creator
The creator doesn't like this so he decided that humans should go to hell
But god is a nice guy so he was born into physical form to pay the penalty for man's disobedience
You only get your "get out of hell free" card if you believe the story about god becoming human and dying for your "sins"

Here's the thing. You can't "accept christ" if you don't believe he was the son of god and all that.

So in a sense, the loving god is going to punish you for all eternity because of what you believe or don't believe.

And this is considered the perfect justice of a flawless, loving creator.

Answer 1

Not exactly. First He created us to dwell with Him as spiritual children. In order to be tested and obtain a physical body it was necessary to pass through mortality. Father knew that if we feel short, we would need a Savior. Jesus, His begotten Son, was chosen for this role before the foundation of the world. The Atonement of Jesus Christ leads to forgiveness of sin, if you accept the gift. Those who do not have a chance to hear and accept the Gospel during their lives, will have an opportunity later.

Answer 2

Nope. Perfect God created perfect humans with the ability to disobey. However separating yourself from the Giver of Life means you are going to die, just like spending too much time underwater without assistance will make you drown. We need God to give us life like we need air to breathe. But God loved us too much to just let us die out on some God forsaken planet(pun intended). So He came up with a plan to get us back in case we left Him. That meant the Creator had to take our sins upon Himself. (Sounds weird, but it is His plan, not mine.) Once this happened, we had the option of inheriting life again. We didn't HAVE to die. We of course can still choose to ignore the gift of life, and doing so will mean our death. But what can God do, other than force you to save yourself? He's done everything. All you have do is say, "wow God, you're pretty cool. I want life."

Answer 3

Ok,
1. No, you have not got Salvation figured out at all and that's your problem friend!
2. God is a perfect being and He created man in HIS own image- Perfect; Adam was a son of God! He created Adam and Eve - and not Adam and Steve! One man and One woman in the beginning and not a perversion!
3. No, you got it wrong again. The Devil sinned from the beginning 1 John 3:8. "For this purpose was the Son of God manifested that he might destroy the works of the devil."
4. Hell was made for the devil and his angels! 2 Peter 2:4. Jude verse 6. People choose to go there by rejecting God's plan of salvation that He made for them! God had to become man in order to take the penalty of death upon Himself, therefore He was our kinsman Redeemer!The commandment was, "The day you eat thereof you die, and they died- spiritually. They fell from perfection by a lie, a lie is a perversion of the truth, the devil was a liar from the beginning. Adam was created perfect in the beginning. God knew they would fall and thus made a WAY BACK that they could enter His presence through the blood of a lamb. It was blood that caused the fall, not apples, Adam knew who his father was! The seed of the serpent who Satan entered into Eve, Genesis 3:15, beguiled her, - 'ENTICED' her into an adulterous act and she, Eve brought forth twins, Cain and Abel. Nowhere is it written that Cain was Adam's son!! Because Enoch was the 7th from Adam- Jude verse 14. Cain bore the nature of his father; anger, malice, strife, hate, and insolence to God. Cain removed himself out of God's presence being condemned of himself Genesis 4:15,16!
To prove to all concerned who it was that was in the garden of Eden, Genesis tells us that he, the devil, was the tree of knowledge of both good and evil, so he knew to do right. The tree of Life was Christ, as we see once again in Revelation 22:2. Satan was in Eden as a MAN!
Isaiah 14:12-16 says "Is this the man." In Ezekiel 28: 2 it also states he was a man! Then verse 3 describes him as being wiser than Daniel! Then in verse 13, "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God." and in verse 17 he was corrupted because of his beauty!
In the beginning he was the anointed cherub but fell through his rebellion to God. In God the Creator, were the attributes to be a Saviour, a healer, and sustainer. He knew all things being Omniscient.
He knows who would and who would not believe Him from the beginning!
5. Cain was of the wicked one, (devil) and slew his righteous brother Abel, Cain was a murderer like his father Satan, his works were evil.
Who are you identified with? Rev. Joseph.

Answer 4

Sin has incurred a debt which we cannot pay by any amount of works or money, but only the sacrifice of Christ. His blood is payment for the debt we have incurred. We could either accept that payment or reject it and try to find our own way. But if we do accept the payment, we are obliged to do good works or else we will fall right back into the sin that once bound us and be in debt all over again.

Answer 5

I have a better proposal for you. You should live your life to make the world a better place for your being in it. If there is no God, you have lost nothing and will be remembered fondly by those you leave behind. If there is a God, he will judge you on your accomplishments, whether or not you believed in him.

Answer 6

Yep, that's pretty much it in a nutshell. Now, on to more important subjects. Did you know that Genesis is called Bereshit in the Hebrew version of the Old Testament? I just love irony!

http://www.akhlah.com/parsha/bereshit/bereshit_index.php

Answer 7

Seems like you've got the story down pretty well. Or at least one of the stories. There are well over a billion Muslems who would tend to disagree, though. (Not to mention 900 million Hindus and 350 million Buddhists.)

Answer 8

If you don't accept Christ - then you obviously don't accept or understand God. This hell thing is getting very old, and everybody who says anybody else is going there needs to watch their own backside first. Judge not, lest ye be judged.
God is our loving Father, and he did provide a way back to him - so if you believe one or the other - you believe in both.

Answer 9

Christian Universalism does not teach the existence of an eternal hell. Jesus' sacrifice is meant to save us from death and is for all. Here are some resources for anyone interested in Christian Universalism:

Online resources:

http://www.christianuniversalist.org/

http://www.christian-universalism.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universalism

All of the following links are for discussion forums that are Christian Universalist in orientation:

Emergent Universalism Discussion Forum

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emerging-universalist/

Christian Universalism Discussion Forum

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/christian-universalism/

Apokatastasis Discussion Forum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apokatastasis/

The Church of Interfaith Christians Discussion Forum

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thechu...ithchristians/

Wider Universalist Fellowship Discussion Forum

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WiderUniversalist/

Fundie Universalist Discussion Forum

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fundieuniversalist/

Reconciliation Fellowship Discussion Forum

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/reconciliation-fellowship/

Answer 10

No, God is not a man that he should lie(law);
Nor Son of man that he should repent(change).

God didn't send his Son till the time for law expired.
God didn't send his Son to condemn(law) the world.
God doesn't reconcile the world by law imputing sin.

Compare-i-son: them (created) <-- | --> us (made)
Of them (created imperfect) & us (made perfect),
"us-ward" (Grace)--> is accounted as salvation
(the Lord is longsuffering to us-ward so none perish)
<--them-ward (Law) is accounted as extinction
(we thus judge if one died for all, then were all dead)

Which things are an "allegory" & "mystery" to solve

You don't solve spiritual allegoric mystery with carnality.
You solve spiritual allegoric mystery by compare-i-son,
"comparing spiritual things (laws) with spiritual (grace)".

J-->C's Grace-->Mercy--->Peace with you all. Amen.