what do u think of this (Terror in the Bible)?

Question

Many Times Christians post passages from the Quran on war and say that Islam is not valid because of them because of the violence. Christians say Muhammad cannot be a prophet because he fought in wars and killed people, they say Jesus never killed anyone nor harmed any one, and that their God is loving and not a killer. Are these comments true? The simple answer is no, in this article I will quote several verses from the Bible showing the brutal terror found in it, I will be quoting from the OT. Christians should have no problem with it, since its the same Godso hence if the God of the OT said kill then it means Jesus said kill because he has no God. So Christians have no way out of this mess.




Deuteronomy
Chapter 2


32-37

And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his land before thee: begin to possess, that thou mayest inherit his land. 32 Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz. 33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. 36 From Aroer, which is by the brink of the river of Arnon, and from the city that is by the river, even unto Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto us



So Moses and his army killed women and children. Moses broke the 6th commmandment, thou shall not kill ANYONE. Or I see, when its in war it okay? Yet when Muslims say the 6th commandment is followed, but in war its different, Christians say nooooo. Either way, The Quran does not say kill women and children, I CHALLENGE ANY CHRISTIAN TO BRING THE VERSE RIGHT NOW. We see it in your Bible, one of your greatest prophets killing women and children by God's permission, meaning Jesus allowed it! So hence Jesus was responsible for killing women and children, and so was Moses so according to the Christians own argument, Moses cannot be a prophet since he killed. Note Moses and his army did this to many cities, verse 37 says there was not one city which was strong enough in the plural sense, hence up to 6 or 7 cities were destroyed with its women and children? What is the Christian response?


Deuteronomy
Chapter 3


1-7

1 Then we turned, and went up the way to Bashan: and Og the king of Bashan came out against us, he and all his people, to battle at Edrei. 2 And the LORD said unto me, Fear him not: for I will deliver him, and all his people, and his land, into thy hand; and thou shalt do unto him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. 3 So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining. 4 And we took all his cities at that time, there was not a city which we took not from them, threescore cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. 5 All these cities were fenced with high walls, gates, and bars; beside unwalled towns a great many. 6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. 7 But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities, we took for a prey to ourselves



Notice the killing spree, scores of cities were raided by Moses and his army by the permission of JESUS, and they killed women and children! What does the Christian have to say to this?

and more

Deuteronomy
Chapter 7
1-6


Deuteronomy
Chapter 13
6-18


Deuteronomy
Chapter 21
18-22


Deuteronomy
Chapter 22
25-29

Answer 1

Yes, I see your point, and as a matter of fact when Jesus returns He will wipe out many people who are evil. So Jesus has the capability to perform acts of violence; (see next two references), so that is not an issue for me...

references: (When Jesus returns)


Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

My main issue with Islam is that it teaches that God has no son. That is directly against the core beliefs of Christianity... Jesus IS the Son of God, and that is of utmost importance!

References:

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

The Bible also teaches that a person who embraces Christ, one who believes in Him, can become a son of God....

ref: John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Answer 2

The war on terror is about arresting radical criminal Muslims who have perverted all that is good and humane in the Koran. Whether there is mention of violence in the Judeo-Christian Bible is not relevant for the war on terror.

The likes of Charles Manson, David Koresh, Jim Jones, the Heaven's Gate leaders etc who perverted the virtues of Christianity can be likened to the leaders of political Islamism, and in doing so, practical remedies may follow.

Answer 3

If you do a little research, you will find that the peoples that God ordered destroyed were deplorable. They practiced child sacrifice. This is found in the scriptures and is backed up by archaeology. These people killed their OWN children.

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MMurphy: Respectfully, I'd recommend you do a little research into ARCHAEOLOGICAL finds in the areas in question -

The Bible Handbook, by Henry H. Halley, notes that at Megiddo, archaeologists found the ruins of a temple of Ashtoreth, goddess-wife of Baal. He writes: “Just a few steps from this temple was a cemetery, where many jars were found, containing remains of infants who had been sacrificed in this temple . . . Prophets of Baal and Ashtoreth were official murderers of little children.” “Another horrible practice was [what] they called ‘foundation sacrifices.’ When a house was to be built, a child would be sacrificed, and its body built into the wall.”
20 Halley comments: “The worship of Baal, Ashtoreth, and other Canaanite gods consisted in the most extravagant orgies; their temples were centers of vice. . . . Canaanites worshiped, by immoral indulgence, . . . and then, by murdering their first-born children, as a sacrifice to these same gods. It seems that, in large measure, the land of Canaan had become a sort of Sodom and Gomorrah on a national scale. . . . Did a civilization of such abominable filth and brutality have any right longer to exist? . . . Archaeologists who dig in the ruins of Canaanite cities wonder that God did not destroy them sooner than He did.”

“Of Canaanite religious practices, mention will only be made here of the sacrificing of children, for excavations have directly verified this. In Gezer as well as in Megiddo, the way corpses of children are immured . . . speaks conclusively . . . for this practice.”—Die Alttestamentliche Wissenschaft (Science of the Old Testament).
“In no country has so relatively great a number of figurines of the naked goddess of fertility, some distinctly obscene, been found. Nowhere does the cult of serpents appear so strongly. . . . Sacred courtesans and eunuch priests were excessively common. Human sacrifice was well known . . . The aversion felt by followers of YHWH-God when confronted by Canaanite idolatry, is accordingly, very easy to understand.”—Recent Discoveries in Bible Lands.

Answer 4

I haven't re-read Deuteronomy in a long time, although I think I might try going through it specifically to find stuff like this.

A lot of Deuteronomy represents a particular strain of thinking in the developing Hebrew religion which I believe got off on the wrong track. The conquering mentality here, and the claim that God authorized it, are very similar to the "manifest destiny" notion in the United States in the 1800s. During that period, many thought the indigenous people should be assimilated, pushed out of the way, or simply exterminated. Not everybody thought the same thing, by the way.

Non-indigenous people in the United States are now stuck with that history. Similarly, Jews and Christians who have inherited the Bible are stuck with the less pleasant baggage in books like Deuteronomy. (There are even worse examples; in I Samuel 15, God is represented as commanding genocide, and that passage is sometimes cited as grounds for modern Israel's treatment of Palestinians.)

I realized some time ago that these scriptural passages are not a good model, and that in some cases these stories appear to have become corrupted before or while they were being recorded. Other Christians, who put more emphasis on Biblical authority, may not agree with me on that. But it makes it much easier to deal with these problems, and I can't find any excuse for treating these sorts of scriptures as sacrosanct.

Now, as to some inaccuracies in your presentation: the commandment is more accurately translated as "Thou shalt do no murder." Not that that correction excuses the killing of women in children in war, but certainly that commandment allows for killing in self-defense and does not prohibit capital punishment. (I'm not a proponent of preemptive "defense" theories or of capital punishment; I'm just pointing out that you are distorting that commandment.)

And your mention of Jesus in connection with actions of Moses indicates a severe confusion. I suggest that until you understand the concept of Jesus as deity a bit better, you confine yourself to references to God except when referring specifically to the first-century teacher.

Despite these inaccuracies, you do raise an important point. I note that someone else has preceded me with the usual Christian excuse for these passages: the unsupported assertion that the people who were killed (including the infants) deserved it. That's a cheap cop-out, and I hope there are other Christians out there who take a more serious view of this matter.

To me, the only reasonable course is to evaluate our view of the Bible a bit more carefully.

Answer 5

Q&A Queen has it right. It is wrong to kill people unless they are deplorable. Deplorable people deserved to be smote...as do their wives, daughters, sons, babies, cattle....

So, as she suggests you need to do a little research...just make sure you are using the using the same jebus glasses she is using when reading the verses...

Answer 6

I like it. Valuable advice to learn in those passages.


Q & A Queen has the BEST ANSWER.

Answer 7

This is nothing new. The bible is full of violence and sex and gore and all kindsa other heinous stuff...