Take Revelation 1:1
No trinity it is easily explained more logically.
2007-12-26 01:34:32 · 21 answers · asked by |||ALL TRUE||| 2 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Revelation 1:1
A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place.
God is the Father only. He is Father because is the Creator.
Jesus is the begotten Son. The firstborn of all creation 1Cor 10:15
Now God gave his begotten Son a revelation about the things that must take place shortly.
See how much more natural that is than God revealed about the things that must take place shortly with himself.
That would sound unnatural and confusing.
Trinity out and logic prevails! Harmony is restored.
2007-12-26 01:38:09 · update #1
no1home2day, that is so deluded.
2007-12-26 02:06:50 · update #2
Fatima, please that Jesus said the Father and I are one means they are in mindful agreement not physically the same God.
My wife and I are one in this matter too but I am not her and she is not me.
The is what I am on about with the trinity explainations. Trinity defenses need to subvert the true meanings of scriptures.
If scriptures cannot work then they have to rely on human made philosophy such as egg or water explainations and if all else fails they will admit that it is all one big mystery and we should have blind faith in it then dust their hands and hope nobody wants to talk about it.
2007-12-26 02:14:56 · update #3
Dave G, thank you for that non answer.
2007-12-26 02:19:09 · update #4
Jim B, you have contributed nothing more than saying that the trinity is true then offer scriptures which in reality states that God is One and nothing at all that state that God is three persons in one.
2007-12-26 02:22:09 · update #5
Q & A Queen says it right. The power of reason is what should be used.
The trinity is illogical by the power of reason.
2007-12-26 02:23:33 · update #6
This is a simple concept that IS explained in the Bible.. But it is foolishness to those who deny that Bible, those who deny God.. You guys just go on with the idea that when you die you are done, totally and completely done.. What difference could it make to you if you are right you will get your way in the end. None of us will continue..
For those who believe in God, those of us that see the Bible to be His word, the revelation of Himself to man I submit the following explanation of the Trinity..
Deut 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Exod 3:14
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily,verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.
Acts 5:3-4
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
If there is only ONE God and you have already shown that the Father is God, I just showed that Jesus (He claimed it Himself), and the Holy Ghost are God.. Since you and I both believe that the Bible is true then there is One God.. the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, is that one God.. TRINITY!! IHS Him
2007-12-26 02:13:10 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 2⤋
A lot of people that go to church do not understand what the trinity means even for ones that have gone for a long time. Other people rather believe in the lie rather than the Truth no matter what evidence whether historical or biblical. They are happy with their treasured beliefs even if they have no standing.
The trinity is not found in the Bible because it is not there, it is confusion and many scriptures such as Rev 1:1 cannot make true sense. Take the trinity out of the equation and put God, Jesus in their proper respectful places and everything fits in logically.
The trinity is getting more and more harder to support since people are more aware of the illogical and how poorly explained and how scripturally unsound the trinity doctrine is.
The turn the begotten Son Jesus to the "eternal begotten" Son. Yet their is no scripture that calls Jesus eternally begotten. They have to add things that are not there in the Bible to try and defend it.
The trinity is false it is babylonish and insults God who is the Father only. The One and True God.
2007-12-26 01:49:32 · answer #2 · answered by Smiling JW™ 7 · 3⤊ 0⤋
Trinity is totally a manmade idea. It was deeply rooted into religion by Constantine. At Nicea. After the Council of Nicea Constantine made it punishable by death to speak otherwise. There is no basis in the Bible for it. God -the Father. Jesus -God's Son. The Holy Spirit- God's active force that causes things to become. As for Jesus and the Father being one. Doesn't the Bible also say that when two people marry they become one flesh? Meaning they are joined together for the same purpose. Jesus and God are like that.
2007-12-26 01:49:22 · answer #3 · answered by Obanroo 4 · 3⤊ 0⤋
While I am not a Christian, I agree that the non-Trinitarian view of God seems more sensible. You might want to look at the non-Trinitarian versions of Christianity.
I would suggest looking into these Christian churches which are all non-Trinitarian: Jehovah's Witnesses, Christadelphians, Bible Students, American Unitarian Conference, Arian Catholic Church, Oneness Pentecostal, UU Christian Fellowship, etc. Swedenborgianism (look up Swedenborg on Wikipedia) was also non-Trinitarian. Perhaps one of these may speak to your condition. You can find all of them doing an online search.
While it is true that LDS Mormons do not believe in the Trinity, they have a doctrine of Godhead and eternal progression which is more polytheistic than monotheistic.
2007-12-26 10:17:42 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
AFTER Nicaea, debates on the difficulty persisted for some years. people who believed that Jesus grew to become into no longer equivalent to God even got here back into choose for a time. yet later Emperor Theodosius desperate against them. He ordinary the creed of the Council of Nicaea through fact the ordinary for his realm and convened the Council of Constantinople in 381 C.E. to make clean the formula. That council agreed to place the holy spirit on the comparable point as God and Christ. For the 1st time, Christendom’s Trinity started out to return into concentration.
2016-10-19 23:05:29 · answer #5 · answered by ? 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The word "trinity" was never in the Bible. However, neither was the concept there. There is not one verse that says God is composed of three co-equal persons.
At John 8:31, 32, Jesus said: "If you remain in my word, you will know the truth." Did Jesus EVER say that God is triune and that he was God the Son, the second person of the trinity? NEVER! Instead, he said at John 17:3 that the Father was the only true God.
2007-12-26 01:39:00 · answer #6 · answered by LineDancer 7 · 6⤊ 2⤋
You don't approach matters of Faith with reason alone. Like the concept of Love, it will all just be illogical if you use logic to answer its mysteries.
If you want to understand what the Bible must be saying about the Holy Trinity, you just have to open your heart and believe.
God, Jesus, and The Holy Spirit? They must be the same entity or they must be separate entities. But really, is it that important to know? Or is it more important to live a life that God wants you to live?
Christians will tell you that if you want your questions regarding faith to be answered, why ask the world? Why not turn to the One who created the world?
Just a thought. :-)
2007-12-26 01:45:56 · answer #7 · answered by The Black Bass 3 · 2⤊ 3⤋
Very good reasoning. And Paul did encourage us to use our "power of reason"
Fatima: Good morning & Respectfully, a question for you. That scripture at John 10:30 is often quoted as proof that Jesus and his Father are ONE. But then how do you explain John 17:11 where Jesus prays to his father as follows:
"And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are]. "
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Obanroo: I hadn't thought of the point you used about married people. I think I'll store that for future use if you don't mind. :)
Going even further...
Jhn 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Is Jesus saying his followers then and all the ones to come would be one great, big multideity together with him and his father?
Yes. Logic sometimes has to come into play.
2007-12-26 01:57:49 · answer #8 · answered by Q&A Queen 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
I think it's a pretty weak scripture to define the trinity concept.
God sends messages to all his prophets through angel messengers, that still doesn't explain the "three-in-one" concept. It makes more sense when you realize ancient christians didn't want to give up their old ways, which included 3 deities, so they whitewashed it all into the "new" religion.
2007-12-26 01:44:22 · answer #9 · answered by Squirrley Temple 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
You're right, not only clearer but also with much more common sense. How can someone explain that a person (Jesus) prays to another (God) and request the strenght of holy spirit and still they try to say they are only ONE?
2007-12-26 01:39:58 · answer #10 · answered by Alexander C 3 · 5⤊ 1⤋