Trinity Question?

Question

Revelation 1:1
A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place.

Jesus gave himself a revelation to show his slaves the things that must take place?

Why is it in the Bible it is never God gave the Father. Or Holy Spirit gave God. The Father is never refered to outside of being God yet Jesus and the holy spirit frequently are.

My point is Ronnie you have answered nothing to the question asked. I don't even know what you are going on about.

Dave C that was a lengthy non answer.

Answer 1

>> Why is it in the Bible it is never God gave the Father.
>> Or Holy Spirit gave God. The Father is never refered to
>> outside of being God ...

        I believe that, between the members of the Godhead, They are Equal -- because They are One. However, to the human way of thinking, God the Father is Supreme over all -- even over God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. For example (I was just reading this this morning), the following is a complete thought, but the point comes in the last two verses:

1Cor. 15:12 Now, since our message is that Christ has been raised from death, how can some of you say that the dead will not be raised to life?
1Cor. 15:13 If that is true, it means that Christ was not raised;
1Cor. 15:14 and if Christ has not been raised from death, then we have nothing to preach and you have nothing to believe.
1Cor. 15:15 More than that, we are shown to be lying about God, because we said that he raised Christ from death---but if it is true that the dead are not raised to life, then he did not raise Christ.
1Cor. 15:16 For if the dead are not raised, neither has Christ been raised.
1Cor. 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, then your faith is a delusion and you are still lost in your sins.
1Cor. 15:18 It would also mean that the believers in Christ who have died are lost.
1Cor. 15:19 If our hope in Christ is good for this life only and no more, then we deserve more pity than anyone else in all the world.
1Cor. 15:20 But the truth is that Christ has been raised from death, as the guarantee that those who sleep in death will also be raised.
1Cor. 15:21 For just as death came by means of a man, in the same way the rising from death comes by means of a man.
1Cor. 15:22 For just as all people die because of their union with Adam, in the same way all will be raised to life because of their union with Christ.
1Cor. 15:23 But each one will be raised in proper order: Christ, first of all; then, at the time of his coming, those who belong to him.
1Cor. 15:24 Then the end will come; Christ will overcome all spiritual rulers, authorities, and powers, and will hand over the Kingdom to God the Father.
1Cor. 15:25 For Christ must rule until God defeats all enemies and puts them under his feet.
1Cor. 15:26 The last enemy to be defeated will be death.
1Cor. 15:27 For the scripture says, "God put all things under his feet." It is clear, of course, that the words "all things" do not include God himself, who puts all things under Christ.
1Cor. 15:28 But when all things have been placed under Christ's rule, then he himself, the Son, will place himself under God, who placed all things under him; and God will rule completely over all.

God bless.

EDIT:
        It is the perfect answer (see below) to the question you actually asked. If you thought you were asking for proof of the Trinity, then you failed to ask that.

God bless.

Answer 2

Dave C why do people like you insist on putting up a long list irrelevant scriptures to the subject discussed. Stop the tripe and answer if you have a real answer. If that is your real answer to the trinity then yes the trinity is a load of bull.

Here let me explain that does away with mystery:

The answer is simple. There is no trinity. Take that doctrine away then logic can have a chance to sit in.

The Father is God. No other is God other than the Father. That is why he is called the Father since He is the Creator.
The Son is Jesus. Jesus is called the Son because he is the firstborn of all creation. He is the Son because he was created. 1Cor 10:15. Jesus is begotten, that's in scripture. It doesn't say "eternally begotton" just Jesus the begotten Son.

Now the logic is put in place. Lets explain Revelation 1:1 clearly without the mumbo jumbo.

God gave his begotten Son a revelation. Other words God revealed to Jesus Christ a sacred secret of what was to take shortly. Jesus then gave it to an angel who gave it to the Apostle John.

There! No big deal and truth logic prevail.
The trinity only creates confusion. Take the false doctrine out and logic and Truth can flow effortlessly.

Answer 3

According to the trinity, God is composed of three co-equal, co-eternal persons. Now take a look at Dave C's copy-and-paste list. Do ANY of those verses say that the Father, Son, and the holy spirit are co-equal, co-eternal, and that they make up a single God? NOT ONE OF THEM!

The Bible is clear that God and Jesus are separate beings. As you mention, if God GAVE Jesus the revelation, common sense should tell one that God and Jesus are different persons. (Rev. 1:1) 1 Cor. 11:3 says: "The head of the Christ is God." Does Christ have a head? Yes. Does God have a head? No. Col. 3:1 says that Christ is seated at the right hand of God. Is Christ seated at his own right hand? No.

The trinity doctrine is a false teaching.

Answer 4

While I am not a Christian, I agree that the non-Trinitarian view of God seems more sensible. You might want to look at the non-Trinitarian versions of Christianity.

I would suggest looking into these Christian churches which are all non-Trinitarian: Jehovah's Witnesses, Christadelphians, Bible Students, American Unitarian Conference, Arian Catholic Church, Oneness Pentecostal, UU Christian Fellowship, etc. Swedenborgianism (look up Swedenborg on Wikipedia) was also non-Trinitarian. Perhaps one of these may speak to your condition. You can find all of them doing an online search.

While it is true that LDS Mormons do not believe in the Trinity, they have a doctrine of Godhead and eternal progression which is more polytheistic than monotheistic.

Answer 5

Well I think that this verse shows the Three parts of the God head best. I hope this helps

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Answer 6

Good Question!

This "Trinity" thing is a very popular misconcept not really sure where it got all fouled up but suffice it to say that the word itself NEVER appears in the Bible.
the roles are thus
The Father - Jehovah
The son - Jesus
The holy Spirit - no name the active force that carries out Jehovahs will.


1st lets consider Mark 1:9-11
Jesus is baptized and Jehovah the fathers voice is actually heard referring to Jesus "You are my son,the beloved; I have approved you."

-John 8:42 Jesus says he did not come of his own initiative but was sent by the father.
Clearly two different entities Jesus is not God.

However the three are as one in purpose and direction, in harmony as a musical chord must be made of more than one note but a chord is formed from the union of seperate, individual notes.
consider a union is definetly not one, as in marriage two become one but man and wife are not the same person even with the now same last name.
see john 14:10 & 11.

Hope it helps.

Answer 7

Slaves?

The believe that the Father begot (created) Jesus, and at the Father's word, Jesus created all things (both seen and unseen).

Jesus did not try and elevate Himself to a position equal with the Father (unlike Satan), but the Father was pleased to elevate Jesus to that position and gave Him all power and authority (would you not call some one with all power and authority God), as He did with the Holy Spirit.

Answer 8

Jesus said, "before abraham was, I AM". If that's not a claim to Godhood, I'd like to know what it is. And why else would Jesus say to baptize in the name of the Father, AND of the Son, AND of the Holy Spirit???

Answer 9

Simply, there is no trinity arrangement.
Nothing is equal to Almighty God, not even Jesus.
(JOHN 5:19) Therefore, in answer, Jesus went on to say to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner.

Answer 10

Michelle C:

"Before Abraham was, I am" is improper English.

Go to your English teacher and say:

"Before you lived, I am"

and see what your teacher tells you.

It will go something like this:

In English you can not mix tenses.

The correct English sentence is:

"Before you lived, I have been" or
"Before you lived, I was"

When the Jews translated Ex. 3:14 into Greek

It became: " I am The Being" tell them "The Being" has sent you.

For Jesus to be quoting Ex 3:14 in Greek, he would have had to say:

"Before Abraham was, The Being"

The correct English translation then must be:

"Before Abraham was, I have been"

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