Is any Christian willing to try the ‘falsification test’?

Question

Gospel of Mark, Ch. No.16, Verse No.17 and 18 - It says that… ‘There will be signs for true believers and among the signs - In my name they shall cast out devils, they shall speak foreign tongues, new tongues, they shall take up serpents - And if they drink deadly poison, they shall not be harmed - And when they place their hand over the sick, they shall be cured.’ This is a scientific test - In scientific terminology, it is known as the ‘confirmatory test’ for a true Christian believer. In the past 10 years of my life, I have personally interacted with thousands of Christians, including missionaries - I have not come across a single Christian, who has passed this confirmatory test of the Bible. I have not come across a single Christian who took poison - I have not come across any who took poison, and who has not died. And in scientific terminology, this is also called as the ‘falsification test’ That means if a false person tries and does this test… takes poison, he will die...

....AND a false person will not dare attempt this test - If you are not a true Christian believer, you will not dare attempt this test. Because you try and attempt the falsification test, you will fail. So a person who is not a true Christian believer, will never attempt this test.

Awww...no one willing to try? I wonder why? :(

Seriously, if you're a good Christian then take it. I'm not stopping you. And this is not to mock God, cause if this is in the Bible, it's assuming people don't take it randomly but take it to prove they're true Christians.

It's straight forward question.
The verse is from the Bible, you guys can look it up.

Now I ask, will anyone drink it? Stop trying to avoid the question.

Hey 'Craig B' , if you think it's out of context, then give me the context ;). Go for it ;)

Filipino...I agree with you completely. I just want to see people's reactions. Till now no one's given me a good answer.

Answer 1

Hmm. So far they're dodging the question pretty well.

They could try the 1 Kings 18 test first:

"22 Then Elijah said to them, "I am the only one of the LORD's prophets left, but Baal has four hundred and fifty prophets. 23 Get two bulls for us. Let them choose one for themselves, and let them cut it into pieces and put it on the wood but not set fire to it. I will prepare the other bull and put it on the wood but not set fire to it. 24 Then you call on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of the LORD. The god who answers by fire—he is God.""

I'd like to see the Christians agree to that Biblical test, but I imagine they're afraid of the Biblically-endorsed consequences:

""38 Then the fire of the LORD fell and burned up the sacrifice, the wood, the stones and the soil, and also licked up the water in the trench.

39 When all the people saw this, they fell prostrate and cried, "The LORD -he is God! The LORD -he is God!"

40 Then Elijah commanded them, "Seize the prophets of Baal. Don't let anyone get away!" They seized them, and Elijah had them brought down to the Kishon Valley and slaughtered there. "

Answer 2

Falsification Test

Answer 3

Before you push this "confirmatory test" as your agenda, I would recommend that you go take an English class that teaches "CONTEXT". Even take a class on "Understanding the Bible" for the truth of the text is so far beyond your mind to comprehend.
You pick out one little thing that appears to be contradictory or false and are making a big case of it. Who's the real serpent here?

Answer 4

Forsaga,
I am a believing Christian and in my time as a Christian I have spoken in tongues and laid hands on the sick, and been involved in casting out demons (rarely). Fortunately I have never been bitten by a snake or poisoned and I would never bring these things upon myself deliberately (unless God told me to) because this would be testing God. However I believe that God has not changed and that his Holy Spirit still works signs and miracles when we believers are obedient to him and preach the Gospel. You are the one saying this is a 'confirmatory test' not the Bible, as others have pointed out these signs are for non-believers. They are not magic and cannot be performed on demand because in ourselves we have no power, it is God who works them and only at his good pleasure. I know this is not the answer you want, but it is the truth. In all your interaction with Christians have you actually listened to the message they bring, that God has done a marvellous thing in giving each of us the hope of a restored relationship with him through Jesus Christ? I sincerely hope you will find him, like I have.
Paul.

Answer 5

Nice try.

The test of true Christianity is not miracles, but LOVE.
John 15:34,35
I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves.”

These verses appear in certain Bible manuscripts and versions of the fifth and sixth centuries C.E. But they do not appear in the older Greek manuscripts, the Sinaiticus and Vatican MS. 1209 of the fourth century. Dr. B. F. Westcott, an authority on Bible manuscripts, said that “the verses . . . are no part of the original narrative but an appendage.” (An Introduction to the Study of the Gospels, London, 1881, p. 338) Bible translator Jerome, in the fifth century, said that “almost all the Greek codices [are] without this passage.” (The Last Twelve Verses of the Gospel According to S. Mark, London, 1871, J. W. Burgon, p. 53) The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967) says: “Its vocabulary and style differ so radically from the rest of the Gospel that it hardly seems possible Mark himself composed it [that is, verses 9-20].” (Vol. IX, p. 240) There is no record that early Christians either drank poison or handled serpents to prove they were believers.

Answer 6

Falsification is a ordinary present in good judgment, and is not any longer what you describe. it extremely is an argument of the place a declare is made it is so imprecise that no evidence to the choice is plausible. it extremely is appropriate to the character of claims, and not the top results of a try. If, case in point, a non secular guy or woman claims direct and private revelation from God, there is not any thank you to disprove the declare; there is not any thank you to falsify it. Likewise for a non secular chief or church that asserts infallibility whilst it includes ecclesiastical concerns. .

Answer 7

Um well gee like one of the postings yeah you should not test God in that way. Now, also, regarding casting out devils, and speaking in tongues, and stuff like that, the bible itself says those type of signs will come to an end. Again, come to an end..... So the true sign that will endure is love among the christian congregation, and their unity. Also, a sign of a Christian is teaching and serving. which really is the preaching work.

With that in mind what religious organization is of those qualities. Among with Jesus commandments to Love God, Love your Neighbor, and be no part of the world?

Regarding drinking poison, well, i think that is common sense.

Answer 8

For a start I do not think you should go out & get a snake to bite you or drink poison. If it should happen like Paul getting
bitten by a snake, you trust in the word of YHWH God.
Yeshua said " You shall not tempt/test YHWH your Elohim.
See Deut 6 : 16 You shall not test God.
Even the devil knows Gods word & mis-quotes it.
All the other things happen as & when YHWH says, even
Yeshua said, " I only do what I see My Father do.
Who do we think we are, such arrogance.

Answer 9

Mar 16:17 -
And these signs - These miracles. These evidences that they are sent from God.
Them that believe - The apostles, and those in the primitive age who were endowed with like power. This promise was fulfilled if it can be shown that these signs followed in the case of any who believed, and it is not necessary to suppose that they would follow in the case of all. The meaning is, that they would be the result of faith, or of the belief of the gospel. It is true that they were. These signs were shown in the case of the apostles and early Christians. The infidel cannot say that the promise has not been fulfilled unless he can show that this never occurred; the Christian should be satisfied that the promise was fulfilled if these miracles were ever actually wrought, though they do not occur now; and the believer now should not expect a miracle in his case. Miracles were necessary for the establishment of religion in the world; they are not necessary for its continuance now.
(Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible)

Mar 16:17 - And these signs shall follow them that believe,.... Not all of them, but some; and not always, only for a time; and which were necessary for the confirmation of the Gospel, and the establishment of Christianity in the world; and not only believing hearers, but believing ministers of the word, are chiefly designed; and this is said, for the encouragement both of those that preach the Gospel, and of them that hear, believe and obey. The Persic version, contrary to all others, reads, "ye shall show signs and wonders to them that believe not"; (see 1Co_14:22).
(John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible)

What power they should be endowed with, for the confirmation of the doctrine they were to preach (Mar_16:17); These signs shall follow them that believe. Not that all who believe, shall be able to produce these signs, but some, even as many as were employed in propagating the faith, and bringing others to it; for signs are intended for them that believe not; see 1Co_14:22. It added much to the glory and evidence of the gospel, that the preachers not only wrought miracles themselves, but conferred upon others a power to work miracles, which power followed some of them that believed, wherever they went to preach. They shall do wonders in Christ's name, the same name into which they were baptized, in the virtue of power derived from him, and fetched in by prayer. Some particular signs are mentioned; (1.) They shall cast out devils; this power was more common among Christians than any other, and lasted longer, as appears by the testimonies of Justin Martyr, Origen, Irenaeus, Tertullian Minutius Felix, and others, cited by Grotius on this place. (2.) They shall speak with new tongues, which they had never learned, or been acquainted with; and this was both a miracle (a miracle upon the mind), for the confirming of the truth of the gospel, and a means of spreading the gospel among those nations that had not heard it. It saved the preachers a vast labour in learning the languages; and, no doubt, they who by miracle were made masters of languages, were complete masters of them and of all their native elegancies, which were proper both to instruct and affect, which would very much recommend them and their preaching. (3.) They shall take up serpents. This was fulfilled in Paul, who was not hurt by the viper that fastened on his hand, which was acknowledged a great miracle by the barbarous people, Act_28:5, Act_28:6. They shall be kept unhurt by that generation of vipers among whom they live, and by the malice of the old serpent. (4.) If they be compelled by their persecutors to drink any deadly poisonous thing, it shall not hurt them: of which very thing some instances are found in ecclesiastical history. (5.) They shall not only be preserved from hurt themselves, but they shall be enabled to do good to others; They shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover, as multitudes had done by their master's healing touch. Many of the elders of the church had this power, as appears by Jam_5:14, where, as an instituted sign of this miraculous healing, they are said to anoint the sick with oil in the name of the Lord. With what assurance of success might they go about executing their commission, when they had such credentials as these to produce!
(Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible)

Answer 10

obviously u didn't search enough... or u didn't even search in the past 10 years... I haven't been in church for a long time and still a teenager ... but many miracles listed above in verse 16..17..and 18 happened .. so please search with open eyes.. don't seek what u want but be fair when u search for something