can you help me with this Jews or christians, about this bible verse?

Question

Proverb's 30:1-4. do it slowly for me. I see verse 4 talking about the heavenly father and his son....as a God. Not as a father and sons as a man. Because in the start of the verse it is talking about who made the heavens and the earth, and it finishes what (is)(in a crocked way) his name, and what is his sons name, if thou canst tell?

I do not see how it talks about saying who is this man that knowest God, or who is this son of the man that knows who God is? Show me breaking down the bible if you can your eyes on the bible? Just use slashes and do not add anything in it. if you can.


I see it only as God saying what is my name, and what is my sons name? tell me if you know?

in other words as he backs up threw out the bible no one knows who God is, they do not even know his name or his sons name.

all I am asking if the Jews have it right and what is his name and his sons name are talking about people....not a God.

Answer 1

I'll let Rashi, one of the greatest Rabbinical commentators say it:
1. The words of Agur, the son of Jakeh, the prophecy; the words of the man concerning, "God is with me; yea, God is with me, and I will be able."
The words of Agur, the son of Jakeh: אגור בן יקה, the words of Solomon, who gathered (אגר) understanding (בינה) and vomited it (והקיאה). The Sages interpreted it in this manner.
the prophecy He said this prophecy on that matter.
the words of the man concerning, “God is with me; said the man that is Solomon this prophecy concerning himself because of איתיאל because he relied on his wisdom to increase gold, horses and wives, which he was forbidden to increase, and so he said, ” God is with me, and I will be able. I will increase wives, and they will not turn my heart away; I will increase gold, and I will not turn away; I will increase horses, and I will not take the people back to Egypt."
yea, God is with me, and I will be able: “ Since he said,” God is with me, and I will be able to do it, and I will not stumble.“ לאיתיאל, because of ” God is with me, “ as in (Ex. 14:3): ” For Pharaoh will say of the children of Israel (לבני) ," meaning of the children of Israel.
2. For I am more boorish than any man, neither do I have man's understanding.
For I am more boorish: Because I relied on my wisdom in a matter that the Holy One, blessed be He, is concerned lest one come to sin.
3. Neither have I learned wisdom, nor do I know the knowledge of the holy ones.
Neither have I learned wisdom nor do I know the knowledge of the holy ones, for I subtracted or added to the words of Moses.
4. Who ascended to heaven and descended? Who gathered wind in his fists? Who wrapped the waters in a garment? Who established all the ends of the earth? What is his name and what is the name of his son, if you know?
Who ascended to heaven: like Moses?
Who gathered wind: The soot of the furnace.
Who wrapped the waters: (Ex. 15:8): “The depths were congealed” ; (ad loc.): “The floods stood upright like a heap,” through Moses’s prayer.
Who established the Tabernacle, through whose establishment all the ends of the earth were firmly established. In this way, it is expounded in the Pesikta.
What is his name and what is the name of his son If you say that there already was one like him, tell me what his son’s name i: i.e., what family is descended from him, and we will know who he is.
if you know if you know who he i:. Now how did you not fear to transgress His words?

Nothing in this refers to the Messiah, and definitely not to Jesus.

Answer 2

What you are reading is a man (Agur) who was considered very wise at that time. He is talking to Ithiel and Ucal. (possibly his sons) He is declaring that for all his knowledge, he is stupid compared to Gods knowledge and wonders. In fact he is so amazed at Gods wonders he asks someone to tell him His name and His sons name, if they know it. He may not have known Gods name, but he knew there was a God because of all the wonders He created. In other words, he may have been an atheist, but it finally dawned on him that there has got to be a God to hold everything together. In verse 3 he clearly states he has no wisdom or knowledge of the holy one, yet if He is anything like the wonders He created, Agur is saying I have got to know who this is.

Answer 3

Before, long before the time of Jesus of Nazareth, there was a person who began the Proverb humbly. He said that he wasn't anything special:

2 "I am the most ignorant of men;
I do not have a man's understanding.

3 I have not learned wisdom,
nor have I knowledge of the Holy One.

Then he says something profound, and I believe that it got Solomon's attention:

4 Who has gone up to heaven and come down?
Who has gathered up the wind in the hollow of his hands?
Who has wrapped up the waters in his cloak?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is his name, and the name of his son?
Tell me if you know!

It is possible that he actually knew what he was talking about, but it is also possible that the Holy Spirit was working with him, and revealed a special prophetic thing.

To which I attribute this:

1 Corinthians 1
20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

So the way I see it, God took a man who was humble, and gave Him something that would be talked about through the ages. The mystery of the revelation of God's Son.

Some would say, " That can't work! You can't be humble and do anything but lose. You would just be a loser! "

To which I say, " Oh yeah? Try it. Humble yourself before the Lord, and give it a try; see what happens."

I have seen it happen for myself. God knows who is faking it, and who is not.

So try it and see. What do you have to lose?

Answer 4

From the Jewish perspective: The purpose of the series of questions in verse 4 is to point out the impossibility of anyone having knowledge of G-d, because to do so he would have to (or be able to, or know how to) ascend to heaven and descend.

The last part of the verse is meant sarcastically: if you assert that any man possessed these, qualifications, who is he? If you claim that such a person has existed, let me test your knowledge of him: if you give me his name, what more do you know of him? What was his son called?

For us, this has nothing to do with Jesus, etc.--it is merely literary device which is evident when one reads the whole Bible and sees how often literary devices are used.

Answer 5

Can you help me with this Jews or christians, about this bible verse?
Proverb's 30:1-4. do it slowly for me. I see verse 4 talking about the heavenly father and his son....as a God. Not as a father and sons as a man. Because in the start of the verse it is talking about who made the heavens and the earth, and it finishes what (is)(in a crocked way) his name, and what is his sons name, if thou canst tell?
Answer: God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
Proverbs 30
1The words of Agur the son of Jakeh, even the prophecy: the man spake unto Ithiel, even unto Ithiel and Ucal,

2Surely I am more brutish than any man, and have not the understanding of a man.

3I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of the holy.

4Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

5Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

6Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

7Two things have I required of thee; deny me them not before I die:

8Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me:

9Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the LORD? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain.

I do not see how it talks about saying who is this man that knowest God, or who is this son of the man that knows who God is? Show me breaking down the bible if you can your eyes on the bible? Just use slashes and do not add anything in it. if you can.

Answer:
John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.

3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

I see it only as God saying what is my name, and what is my sons name? tell me if you know?

in other words as he backs up threw out the bible no one knows who God is, they do not even know his name or his sons name.

Answer 6

Jews and Christians are likely to give you two different answers. To a Christian it would seem to suggest God the Father and God the Son (Jesus). That is what I believe it to mean- really what I know in my heart to be true.

Answer 7

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are before the birth of Christ.
The Son became flesh to overcome temptation as a man to overcome sin and death for man.
The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one God.
Man is created in this image of God having flesh and spirit and soul.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 1 explains God said let US create man in OUR image.

Genesis 2 shows how man is created from the dust (flesh)
God breathed life into him (spirit)
and man became a living soul (soul)

God created man above the animals more than flesh which returns to dust but with an eternal spirit.

Answer 8

I'm no longer Christian, so I can not reply the moment side, however I can support with the interpretation. The phrase 'Chesed' approach a combo of affection and kindess. I'd translate it as compassion. The phrase 'emet' approach reality, no longer faithfulness. And 'yicaper' approach atone versus purged. So, even as the sin isn't long past, it's nonetheless atoned for.

Answer 9

I understand it as Agur ( a man) , is talking to Ithiel and ucal (two men)
Aguar says he is a brute and has no understanding.
He does not know God.
He asks who goes into Heaven and who comes down from Heaven? Who can hold wind in his fist? Who can bind the waters in his garment (meaning who can control the oceans and rivers?) Who has made all the earth?
Tell me if you can what is His name and what is His Sons name?

Answer 10

Jesus always reffered to Himself as the son of man. Jesus in the bible is also reffered as the perfect immage of God. These things are spiritually decerned so if you ask God to reveal them to you I'm sure that you will be enlightened. God in His wisdom made us in His own immage & likeness, body soul & spirit just like God we are triune. Would it be possible for God to divide the body from the soul or the spirit? Yes it would for all mighty God. Peace & Merry Christmas!!!