Doesn't this mean mormon pres.Hinckley is running for President ot the United States and Romney is his puppet?

Question

"Always keep your eye on the President of the church, and if he ever tells you to do anything, even if it is wrong, and you do it, the lord will bless you for it but you don't need to worry. The lord will never let his mouthpiece lead the people astray."
LDS President Marion G. Romney (of the first presidency), quoting LDS President (and prophet) Heber J. Grant "Conference Report" Oct. 1960 p. 78

"Any Latter-day Saint who denounces or opposes whether actively or otherwise, any plan or doctrine advocated by the prophets, seers, revelators' of the church, is cultivating the spirit of apostacy. One cannot speak evil of the lord's annointed... and retain the holy spirit in his heart. This sort of game is Satan's favorite pastime, and he has practiced it to believing souls since

http://www.lds-mormon.com/thinking.shtml

Romney said he will not compromise his faith. His faith demands loyalty to Hinckley "in all matters". If elected, he would still be expected to follow the instructions of Mormon leadership with the same obligation as he would if God himself were personally delivering such instructions.

The LDS Church does not hesitate to become involved in national issues if such issues are connected to the practices of the church. They aren't going to admit it, but then they are pro's at hiding their true agenda.

http://joel-junior.com/wp/2007/12/07/romney-attempts-to-ease-concerns-about-his-mormonism/

Based on vows Romney made to his church, he is either lying to his church or to us. Either way, he's a liar. He's the polar opposite of Kennedy, Mormon is nothing like Catholic or Christian belief and his father never walked with ML King. He's a liar.

Show me any Catholic ceremonies where members vow to do whatever the pope tells them to do. If anyone questions the mormon leadership, mormon origins or beliefs they are ex-communicated - Here's one source of my info - where's yours? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-06,GGLD:en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=mormon+excommunicated+for+questioning+church&spell=1

Mitt is a good speaker, and will change his story as needed just like his church does (they've changed their "unchangeable" book of mormon thousands of times, the most current being the lamenite issue. However, it doesn't mean he didn't vow to honor his belief, and part of that belief is to do what his leader says. You better double check with your church about excommunication as well - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-06,GGLD:en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=excommunicated+mormons&spell=1

http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon492.htm

We all know someone who is brilliant, a good friend with good family values, but who don't have an ounce of common sense, who are unable to make good choices, despite their intelligence, because they are so easily conned.

My problem with Romney being president is that he is so easily conned. He trusts a church that believes their god was once a man and his home planet is near some star called kolob. They think some men alive today can earn their own planet and godhood, that women who don't marry in this life can become one of many wives to these mormon elite godhood guys and have spirit babies thru eternity to populate her god's planet. Most of us don't want a president who thinks he's Kabob bound.

While most people who are mormon are very nice, very good people, they are victims of a counterfeit christian church. Most people know better. We need a president who knows who to trust and is able to see truth. Believing a con like this proves a mormon's judgement is dangerous.

The "early people" mentioned in the book of mormon never existed. The animals and tools the BOM claims these "people" had did not exist on this continent during that time period. The BOM claims Native Americans are descended from Jews - recent DNA testing proved that's wrong, now they changed the BOM to "fit into" updated info.

People from other churches are not kicked out for questioning church leaders, like Mormons are. Anyone who claims Jesus is dead probably doesn't belong to any church.

It seems mormons never deny their weird beliefs, they just deflect and twist. Not presidential material.

They have made thousands of changes to their BOM and other silly books. They deny it, claim they just cleaned up spelling, but just another mormon coverup. This church should be ashamed at the way it treats their members. http://www.irr.org/mit/changingscrips.html

http://www.irr.org/mit/Lamanites-DNA-Book-of-Mormon.html

Answer 1

A persons religious beliefs say a lot about the person. If I feel the LDS religion is false and one of their members wants to lead my country I would naturally hold that against them. I am not taking orders from anyone who I feel cant even investigate their own church and know it isnt true. If he cant even take care of himself , I wont trust him to take care of me. There is overwhelming evidence out there that the church is a colossal fraud. They have committed so many crimes such as the Mountain Meadows Massacre and so forth that I am appalled that they are even still around. In the early Temple ceremonies, oaths were taken by the Priesthood to avenge the blood of Joseph Smith on this nation. Now one of them wants to be President? I think not !

Answer 2

Sounds like you've pretty much already made up your mind by the end of your question. Never the less, let me add this...

Harry Ried is active LDS, yet in my opinion his stances on many issues are at odds with what I believe, Gay Marriage, etc.

Mitt Romney has said that if he becomes President, then his highest commitment to God will be the one he makes when he takes the oath of office. A persons relationship with God always supercedes anything else that the Prophet might say, in my opinion.

I hear what you're saying with all of the quotes. Those quotes are pertaining to decisions that are to be made on a personal level. The church has on some cases gotten involved on certain political issues like the ammendment to the constitution regarding marriage between a man and a woman. Yet Harry Ried has not budged. Does that make him a bad Mormon? Of course not because he is doing his job according to his conscience. That is what we're expected to do. That is what Mitt Romney will do if he becomes President. Don't read into things so much that you lose sight on reality....

Answer 3

You're asking a question while assaulting the man's character as a liar for stating what we believe. Is this a question seeking knowledge or are you just so full of anti-Christian hate that you have to let it overflow it here?

Mormons believe that politics and religion don't mix, and are one of the few churches worldwide that don't direct their congregation which way to vote. Mitt Romney would be Gordon Hinckley's president, not the other way around. A simple read of our Articles of Faith clearly explains this.

Quoting an anti-LDS document as a source of LDS truth is a lot like quoting Hillary Clinton on Rudy Giuliani. I'm a Libertarian voting for Ron Paul, but your bigotry and hate are revolting views into how perverse some groups in America have become. I just hope that you don't identify yourself as a Christian while bearing false witness against others. The God of the scriptures frowns on that.

Answer 4

I have NEVER read such a paranoid bunch of words! This would almost be funny if you weren't serious.

No, if Pres. Hinckley wanted to run for president, HE would run for president. He has no interest in politics.

The president is not all-powerful. The US government has what's called "checks and balances". There is no way the president can do anything that congress and the Supreme Court can't undo.

Also, did you know that there are Mormons in congress? Been there for years.

But, if you want to be scared, be scared of the evangelican Christians, who I think would be the FIRST to throw out the First Amendment.

Our faith does not demand loyalty to anyone but Jesus Christ. Pres. Hinckley does not give political advice or counsel. He gives spiritual counsel. We do not make vows to Pres. Hinckley. We make covenants with God.

You said "If anyone questions the mormon leadership, mormon origins or beliefs they are ex-communicated"

Wrong. If one has true questions, that is not wrong. But, if one goes out in front of God and everyone and SAYS that the prophet is wrong, tries to get others to question, tries to get others to believe what the prophet says we don't, that could be grounds for excommunication. It's like, if your church believes that Jesus Christ rose from the dead, and someone says "No, he didn't, he's dead, and dead is dead" and gets very vocal and demands that your church teach this and does not teach that Jesus rose from the dead, are you going to do what he says? are you going to keep them as a member?

>>they've changed their "unchangeable" book of mormon thousands of times,<<

What changes were made? Typos, grammatical errors, that sort of thing. Nothing major.


>>the most current being the lamenite issue.<<

Lamanite issue? What's that?

>>part of that belief is to do what his leader says.<<

Examples? What sorts of things do you honestly think robot Romney is going to do?

Our leader is Jesus Christ. what WOULD Jesus do?

>>Most of us don't want a president who thinks he's Kabob bound.<<

Are you SURE this is what we believe? did you learn this from us, or from Decker? You sure do spend a lot of time at exmormon.com.

I should learn more about (non-LDS) christians from ex-Christians. I've met a lot of them. Learn about Baptists from ex-Baptists, evangelicals from ex-evangelicals (I've heard that there are a lot of those, too).

>>We need a president who knows who to trust and is able to see truth.<<

Whose truth? Yours?

Answer 5

Is Harry Reid a Mormon Puppet??? Orin Hatch? Steve Young?

Open your eyes, and use your brain. Some common sense would come in handy here.

Look at Mitt's record. Some of it is "mormon-ish" some is not. He serves alcohol at some of his functions. Does that sound like the prophet is ruling his life???

You don't like Mormons....we get it.

But at least stop being an idiot when it comes to the subject.

Answer 6

Gee if Mitt Romney only does what the Prophet of the Church tells him to, and he's a billionaire, then Gordon B. Hinckley must be an awesome financial adviser and we Mormons must all be incredibly wealthy!

Answer 7

You have grossly oversimplified Mormon belief. It is not true that the Mormon Church would control the nation if a Mormon were elected president. In the Church we promise to dedicate all we have to God, but the presidency does not belong to any one individual, it belongs to the people. In fact, it would be contrary to Mormon teachings if Romney tried to hand over control of the nation to the Mormon Church.

This situation is exactly analogous to the situation of the Mormon CEO. He pays a tithe on his own salary, but he does not pay a tithe on all the revenue generated by the corporation he heads because that corporation does not belong to him, but to the stock holders.

allaboutmormons . com

Answer 8

contrary to popular belief, mormons who hold viewpoints opposite of that of the official church doctrine are not excommunicated. We as members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are allowed to believe whatever we wish to. However, individuals who try to undermine the authority of church leaders by publicly announcing these beliefs or by trying to draw other members away from the church can face disciplinary action. The belief that Mr. Romney will allow the church or President Hinkley to rule over his decisions is absurd! His record as an entreprenuer and governer of Mass. prove that. As members of the Church of Jesus Christ we believe in being subject to the leaders of our country and upholding the law (constitution) of the land.

Deb, you seem to know alot about the LDS church. I'm sorry for whatever percieved wrongs you may have suffered at the hands of the leaders of the church. I think, however, that some of your sources of information are incorrect. I would encourage you, if you really want to know more about the church, to speak to missionaries of the church or visit the churches website www.mormon.org where you will find factual information about the church.

Answer 9

Is this a question or a rant? Kind of hard to tell. Anyway, if you have not been living in a cave for the past year, you would have heard Mitt Romney say:

"Let me assure you that no authorities of my church, or of any other church for that matter, will ever exert influence on presidential decisions... Their authority is theirs, within the province of church affairs, and it ends where the affairs of the nation begin."

"If I am fortunate enough to become your president, I will serve no one religion, no one group, no one cause and no one interest. A president must serve only the common cause of the people of the United States."

Answer 10

No. We also have an article of faith that says we believe in being subject to the laws and rulers of the land. The church has never told politicians what to do before and guess what? there are mormon senators/congressman/etc.

Those quotes are referring to church doctrine not laws of the land. If you can't distinguish between those two, then I don't know what I can say.


EDIT: I have questioned lots of LDS doctrine and haven't been excommunicated. My siblings are avowed atheists and they haven't been excommunicated. Where's a valid source? Don't be a bigot.

Show me an LDS ceremony where we vow to do whatever our prophet says. We don't do that so you won't find one.