Science vs God @ School--is this why schoold arent suppose to say anything about God in the class room?

Question

Bc it makes the atheist teacher look stupid?

Subject: Science vs. God

This is an excellent question and answer about science vs. faith.



"Let me explain the problem science has with Jesus Christ." The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.



"You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"



"Yes sir," the student says.



"So you believe in God?"



"Absolutely."



"Is God good?"



"Sure! God's good."



"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"



"Yes."



"Are you good or evil?"



"The Bible says I'm evil."



The professor grins knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!" He considers for a moment.



"Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?"



"Yes sir, I would."



"So you're good...!"



"I wouldn't say that."



"But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't."



The student does not answer, so the professor continues. "He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"



The student remains silent.



"No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.



"Let's start again, young fella Is God good?"



"Er...yes," the student says.



"Is Satan good?"



The student doesn't hesitate on this one. "No."



"Then where does Satan come from?"



The student : "From...God..."



"That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"



"Yes, sir."



"Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?"



"Yes."



"So who created evil?" The professor continued, "If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil."



Without allowing the student to answer, the professor continues: "Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?"



The student: "Yes."



"So who created them?"



The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. "Who created them? There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized.



"Tell me," he continues onto another student. "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"



The student's voice is confident: "Yes, professor, I do."



The old man stops pacing. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?"



"No sir. I've never seen Him"



"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"



"No, sir, I have not."



"Have you ever actually felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?"



"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."



"Yet you still believe in him?"



"Yes."



"According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?"



"Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my faith."



"Yes, faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith."



The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of his own. "Professor, is there such thing as heat?"



"Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."



"And is there such a thing as cold?"



"Yes, son, there's cold too."



"No sir, there isn't."



The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.



"You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."



Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.



"What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?"



"Yes," the professor replies without hesitation. "What is night if it isn't darkness?"



"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?"



The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. "So what point are you making, young man?"



"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed."



The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. "Flawed? Can you explain how?"



"You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains. "You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it."



"Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?"



"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do"



"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"



The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.



"Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"



The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.



"To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean."



The student looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out into laughter.



"Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelled the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir. So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?"



Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.



Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. "I guess you'll have to take them on faith."



"Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life," the student continues. "Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?"



Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."



To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God.



God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."



The professor sat down.

Answer 1

I didn't read your entire essay but the portions I did read looked excellent. The government has removed God from the schools, and from courthouses, police stations, and all other government facilites. They have even removed "In God we Trust" from much of our currency.

Answer 2

Scientists have decided that Pluto does not meet the definition of a planet. That is all. There has been debate about that since Pluto was discovered. A decision was finally made, that is all. This is pretty nit-picky stuff to wonder about. If you really want something to think about then think about this. In all of history, whenever science and religion have disagreed, science has always turned out to be right. ADDED You are the one missing the point. It was never a theory that Pluto was a planet. It was a simple designation. A consensus was made on the definition of a planet and Pluto did not meet the requirements. It is no longer considered a planet. I have no idea why you see that as a reason to toss science aside. Science changes definitions thru time as evidence comes in that require a change in definition. You are looking for any reason you can to attack science. However, this is a pretty silly one to work with. Pluto is no longer considered a planet. That is not based on a change in theory or that scientists were wrong about planets. It just means that Pluto was not properly classified and now this is being fixed.

Answer 3

If God didn't make evil, then why did God tell Moses to take somebody else's land from them in the first place, being the promised land which was already in use by those who had settled there first, meaning the homosapians of the human side of the equation. This has been proven beyond reasonable doubt by archaeology by some 5,000 years before Moses. Goes to show that God has evil intent for the chosen few.

Thorougher searches have been conducted by Israel archaeologist and have found no traces of the Hebrews in any of the wilderness of Paran or of Zin before 800 BC has not proved that they were there. Although in other cities there is traces of a slow migration of the Habiru's into those towns during Ramses 11 who was fanatical on building everything and used conscription and slaver at its best 1212 BC.

That the Bible is full of contradictions concerning the topography and the sequence of events including wars, are a feature of typical folktale and not really based on historical texts, when compared with other nations that existed side by side for more than 3,000 years BC by the recorded data that has been found in cuneiform clay tablets.

So the hypothesis depicted by the student is just what it is myth of other nations conquests against fact.

Answer 4

First of all, this is flawed. Any normal educated person in a field of Science who has any knowledge of thermodynamics would say there is no such thing as cold and only heat because it is energy.

Same idea applies for darkness.

As for the brain argument, the professor can easily take them over and have a MRI done and show (visually) that he does have a brain. The same can not be done with a god.

Answer 5

Well see this is an exceptionally bad argument

We have seen human brains before. We can go to any dead body, open up the head and there will be a brain. We know that humans need a brain to live (although you may be an exception)

If you really need to see your own brain you could have a cat scan done. Hell you could even slice open your skull and look in a mirror.

Also - if evil is done by those "without gods love in their heart" why are atheists under represented in the prison population?

Why do you lot never see the glaring errors in these silly stories?

Answer 6

Nice typing or rather cutting and pasting...Phew that took a long time to get through. Evil is not the absence of a God...What you're saying is an insult to those who doubt the existence of a God and those that deny it...We are free to make choices, correct? Given that freedom it stands to reason that we can be good or evil, correct? What relevance does God have in our choices? Assuming there is a God than what influence does he/she/it truly have in influencing your FREE choices. Again, you're free to choose an evil path or a good path regardless of God. PEACE!

Answer 7

Which God? God(s) can not be proven... it is not up to the public school system to teach Religion. If you push your religion into the schools then you must accept mine, and Wicca, and Buddha, and Satanists (Satanism is a recognized religion), and all forms of Paganism. Would you like me to teach your children my religion? I would be more than happy to provide info on our rituals so they can do them on their own.

And actually, this little rant is really a joke. Simply because it's more of a psychological plea, rather than an intelligent answer. And doesn't even "answer" honestly. "God did not create evil" - but the Bible says He did.

Keep your religion to yourself and I will do the same. Try to push your religion into the schools and I will do the same.

Answer 8

As a Christian, I DO NOT WANT religion in school. No teacher ought to be preaching for or against God. Indoctrination is the job of a child's parents, and it is our responsibilty to make sure that they get a secular education as well as religious education. Public school is not the place for religion. I don't mind holidays of all religions being observed in schools, but religious teachings for or against God simply should not occur in school. If you send your child to a private school of a particular faith, then it's expected and appropriate for there to be religious teachings. Just don't do it in public school.

On the other hand, humanities courses that teach ABOUT various world religions can be valuable.

Answer 9

That's a story written by some Christian (sounds like Hovind tbh). Of course he will pen the Christian as the protagonist.

Biased anyone? Quite a bad strawman as well.

Answer 10

Religion no doubt plays an important role in this world.

Perhaps religion studies could be a choice in school selected by the parents.

Answer 11

This has been posted before.

Think of this: Schools start letting students talk about God, okay? Then some Muslim comes and starts talking about Allah.

How quickly do you think Christians would uprise?


Freedom of Religion: This is a secular nation.