What do you think about The Trinity?

Question

Im confused wether The Trinity is Biblical or not. I've been going through The Bible and Thomas said to Jesus "My Lord and My God" yet earlier in scripture Jesus prays to the father. Also in Revelation it states that No one except The Father knows the exact time of Christ's comming, not even Jesus knows the exact time. So it seems that The Son and The Father have different minds.

I need to be cleared up in this because im confused... Please help me figure this out.

God gave us his word so that we may understand. It states in the new testament that the secrects will be unfolded. Im tired of these "noone will ever know" answers.

Romans 16:25-27
Now to him who is able to establish you by my gospel and the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all nations might believe and obey him—to the only wise God be glory forever through Jesus Christ! Amen.

Answer 1

Here's a look into the Trinity on Jesus Christ's behalf...

Many have been struggling with the Trinity, what it means and how it could be. To completely understand it, we never will until we are in His presence, because our minds are too small. I want to shed a little bit of scripture that should help though. To begin with, I want you to think of time. Time is endless, it goes on forever just as God does, but, the difference is God is outside of time. He created time. He created all. Looking at time though, we have three distinct, separate parts: past, present, and future. Together each makes up time. They are not different beings/entities; they are all components of time, just different parts of it. You can’t have one without the other, and you can’t take away one without destroying time.

Before I get into this next part, a few definitions....

Tri-theism: three distinct gods

Polytheistic: belief in or worship of more than one god.

Pantheon: the gods of a people

So many people choose to argue that the Trinity is a Pagan concept. You have to remember that tri-theisms are a subset of polytheistic pantheons. Tri-theisms such as those in the Hindu Greek pantheons were not actual triads. You won't find one tri-theism where the members of that pantheon subset consisted of two or more individual entities that were of equal nature. Nor will you find a tri-theism consisting two or more individuals who manifested one entity such as the Trinity teaches. Members of pagan pantheons were often not omnipresent, omnipotent, had a beginning, were capricious , etc. Nothing even remotely close to the Hebrew-Christian teachings of the Trinity. The early church fathers were strongly opposed against Greek pagan teachings and could have not possibly made a mixture of Christian and pagan teachings. Also, you have to remember that to invent the Trinity is beyond the capacity of man or even Satan. Man cannot possibly conceive of the inconceivable. Man cannot conceive of anything non-intelligible or beyond the physical realm that exists outside of the five senses (sight, hearing, taste, touch, smell). Therefore, the Trinity has to exist outside of man's capacity to invent concepts.

The fact pagan concepts predate a Biblical concept doesn't demonstrate that concept to be unscriptural or borrowed. I would submit that Pagan concepts are nothing more than a distortion of the truth as opposed to being the other way around. After all no lie exists which cannot be said to be finite. If the Anti-Trinitarian or Unitarian logic were consistent, then they should dismiss their own beliefs as being pagan in origin. Please allow me to explain. Before Moses was born, there was a Pharaoh who ruled in Egypt named Akhenaton. King Akhenaton destroyed every statue and image of every Egyptian deity except for the Sun God Horus. This means that Akhenaton promoted monotheistic Unitarian worship before Moses was born. Therefore, since Moses wrote the Pentateuch or the first five books of scripture (Genesis through Deuteronomy) this means that this took place well before the Bible was written. If Unitarian logic were consistent, they should reject their own beliefs since a pagan promoted monotheistic anti-Trinitarian worship prior to the writing of scripture. Bible-bashing professing Atheists and Agnostics often make much of the fact there were flood and creation stories which were written prior to the writing of scripture. And because of that fact, they use the same logic that well-intended Unitarians use. The faulty logic that a pagan concept exists prior to a Christian concept demonstrates the Christian concept was borrowed from paganism. Sadly, such logic ultimately leads to unbelief of scripture as a whole.


This is far different than pagan triad gods, or what people imagine of the Trinity even if they don’t know or understand pagan gods. In the pagan triad, you could take away one, and have no effect on the other two, they would still be gods, in fact, there would be a god that had been a god longer than the others and so forth. With the Trinity, and not to make it too simple and watered down, if you took away one, it would be like taking the legs off a person, the arms, the eyes, etc. They are all in one, and without one part of it, the Godhead would not function the same. We are similar in our body make-up. We have the outward flesh and moving parts. We have the inner organs that make those things work controlled by the brain. Then we have our thoughts which we use to speak words, eat to sustain life and know where to find that food, and so forth. You cannot survive or exist without any of those three parts, and one cannot live outside of the other. Let’s look at some scripture shall we?



1John 4:12

"No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us."

In this verse we see that no man has seen God at any time. Pretty plain and simple right? In fact, we are told in other places how if you see God, you would surely die. Alright, now look…



Genesis 17:1

"And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect."

Genesis 18:1

"And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;"

These are just two verses in which God clearly appears to men, and they see Him. Not an angel of the Lord, as some would say. If it were an angel of the Lord, it would say “In the name of the Lord” or “Thus saith the Lord” the in conversation we see later in the chapters. That does not happen. There are of course more verses that show this type of thing. WHAT? Is there a contradiction? Seems like it right? This is a common scenario you would encounter with faiths like Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, Islam, and more that deny the deity of Jesus Christ. Seems a bit overwhelming at the onset, and many people are flustered by this. Don’t give up, let’s keep looking.



John 1:1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

The Word here is Jesus Christ. Often people will point at the Bible and say that is the Word….but that’s actually the Word of God, totally different. Jesus Christ is the Word, much in the same way as your thoughts are a part of you that allow you to speak and be heard. It says plainly, that in the beginning He was there. That in itself tells us He had no beginning, no start, He is eternal. He was not created, as some people would like to have you believe, He was there from the beginning. It goes further to tell us that He was God. Now, Jehovah's witnesses change this verse in their corrupt translation of the Bible, the NWT (New World Translation). The last part of the verse reads "and the Word was [a] god.". No I am not kidding. It is in brackets like that as well. This translation completely goes against any Greek interpretation, and just is not in there. It also presents then with a problem. They will quickly tell you there are two types of gods. God the Father, and then everything else is a false god. They deny that Jesus is part of God, so, the Jesus they follow clearly is a false god. They are in a quandary! Add on top of that, John, being a devout Jew would never call Jesus "a god" as that would be blasphemous to the One True God. John knew who God was, and knew Jesus was part of God as well. So from the onset, before anything, Jesus was God. Now we’re getting somewhere.



John 1:14

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

Here we see where Jesus was made into flesh. This of course was through the Holy Spirit. That being the case, the Holy Spirit cannot be an “active force” or creation, or anything else people try to make Him into. Something created, or a force could do nothing to plant the seed for the fleshly form of Jesus Christ. It is impossible. We have already seen that Jesus Christ is God as well, and something below Him could not possibly incarnate Him into flesh. The Holy Spirit, thus, is also God. Hmm, getting warmer aren’t we? This was when Jesus was planted into Mary to become flesh and bones just like us, to walk among us, and ultimately to pay the price for our sins. It also addresses the Father, and Jesus His begotten Son. We can see now the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. All clearly defined as God. Different functions, but all of the same, because:



Isaiah 42:8

“I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.”

This act is sharing in God’s glory, which would not be permissible unless they were actually God. So then, we see there are three distinct, different parts of God that make up God. So how did these people see God? Because, in the appearances of the Old Testament, it was Jesus Christ. This is referred to as a theophany, an appearance of God. This was before He was incarnated into flesh for His ministry on Earth. He could appear, and as God, He would be able to meet face to face with man. Man would not be consumed as he would if it were God in all His Glory. That would, of course, be too much for us to handle, and then we would die. So, God was able to appear in the form of Jesus Christ who took on an appearance of man, but was not yet flesh and blood.



Isaiah 9:6

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

Isaiah prophesied here about Jesus becoming flesh and blood. Notice, He says He would be called the Mighty God and everlasting Father. This man was a devout Jew. He knew exactly who God was and worshipped only one God. In fact, God Himself was inspiring him to write and make prophecy. Clearly, Isaiah would never call someone these names if He were not one in the same as the God of the Old Testament, YHWH, or Yahweh. Furthermore, God would not have allowed him to write it! Further proof, Jesus is God and there is a Trinity that makes up this Godhead.

Now that may leave one asking, “Why did Jesus say the Father is greater than him?” or “Why did Jesus pray to the Father?” Let’s take a look at another verse…



Philippians 2:5-8

"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. "

Here we see where Jesus emptied Himself for a little while. This does not mean that He got rid of any of His attributes as God. You would deny His deity to say so. He was still God in every way, but He came to be a servant versus stern ruler and use His power over men. As a man He had to show us the way, He revealed the Father to us and how to talk to Him and come before Him. The Father was in Heaven, Jesus was God, but came to earth for His ministry. That’s how He emptied Himself. He left all glory in Heaven and came here. When He says the Father is greater, it is because the Father is in Heaven in glory, and he (Jesus) was here. He was fully man, and fully God, He just did not exercise all His Godly powers as He came to serve and to save.



Hebrews 1:6

"And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him."

From cover to cover in the Bible, you will find a multitude of verses that enforce that God shares His glory and worship with no one. Only He can receive it. Plain as day in this verse, God the Father commands His angels to worship Jesus Christ. God is sovereign, holy, and righteous and would never command His angels to worship anything except...God. Straightforward, unless you are a Jehovah's Witness. Their NWT changes the word "worship" to "obeisance". In fact, everywhere in their translation, they translate the Greek word to obeisance when it is in reference to Jesus Christ; however, when it refers to God, false gods, and even Satan, it is translated as worship. Sounds like a hidden agenda doesn't it? It is! See, I have a 1950 AND a 1960 version of the NWT, and it says WORSHIP in this verse. That's right. It was not until 1970 that they changed it to obeisance. This coming from a group calling itself the faithful and discreet slave, yet by definition in the Bible, the faithful and discreet slave will not be on a learning curve and make mistakes like this. Mistakes that mislead. Of course, they are a whole other discussion.

That’s the Trinity in a nutshell, on Jesus Christ's behalf, with Biblical proof. To deny the divinity of Jesus, and deny that He is God as is the Father and the Holy Spirit, is to deny God all together, and you are doomed. I will have proof of Holy Spirit as a part of God rather than just an active force in an upcoming article as well. Stay tuned.


There are so many others that posted untruths on the Trinity and what it is, I hope you will abosrb this.

Answer 2

Part of the problem is an unspoken one. Orthodox Christianity considers it heresy to have a view of Jesus or the Holy Spirit as subordinate. Though, like you pointed out, the Father knows something that Jesus does not. There are two views to this and that is Jesus exercised restraint in his humanity or that Jesus exercised submission to the Fathers will and didn't allow himself to know the fullness of the Father's outcome. This latter view is considered heresy, however, I find it Biblical. Jesus himself said in Philippians 2 that he subjected himself to the Father's will this in no way, to me, changes his essence as God and reveals more about the plan of God. I feel it explains also the conflicting verses about God. So my view is considered unorthodox and few hold it. It has been tradition to leave the Trinity doctrine alone but I think it actually unlocks and explains a lot of scripture that seems contradictory about God.

Answer 3

The Trinity is a lie. "It didn't come about until the 4th century A.D. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective."--- (1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.The New Catholic Encyclopedia. Christianity is derived from Judaism & Judaism is strictly Unitarian believing that God is one person. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching."--(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L. The Encyclopedia Americana. 1 Cor 8:5,6 RS: "Although there are may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth--as indeed there are many 'gods' and many 'lords'--yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist." This presents the Father as the "one God" of Christians and as being in a class distinct from Jesus Christ. Never in the Bible is the Father reported to refer to the Son as "my God," nor does the Father refer to the holy spirit as "my God." Every Scripture that Trinitarians use as 'proof' of the Trinity actually mention 'only 2 persons, not 3'; so even if the Trinitarian explanation of the texts were correct, these would not prove that the Bible teaches the Trinity. No where in the holy Scriptures are we given a name for the holy spirit. God---YHWH---Jah---Jehovah. Jesus Christ the Son of God; the only begotten-god. We are given names for both of them. Not the holy spirit. JW's, Muslims, Hebrews & Unitarians all worship One God. Not the pagan, Trinity concept. Any1 know of any others? (u can't include Mormons)

Answer 4

The Trinity is one of the 'implied' truths of Scripture. It was not part of the early church philosophy but was introduced after about three hundred years. So much confusion was occasioned by this that a special creed was devised to sort it out. It would take a practised theologian to explain it today. However on the upside, the Celtic saints derived great strength from the concept and used it continually. See the Breastplate of St Patrick.

Answer 5

The Trinity is official Catholic doctrine though it is thoroughly debated in Philosophy for its seeming violation of rules of transitivity and indiscernibility.

The general principle is that:
There is one God
The Father is God
The Son is God
The Father is NOT the son.

It is presumed that Jesus became fully human while remaining fully divine. However, in the even of phrasing the Trinity has a statement of identity, it violates indiscernibility. In terms of stating the Trinity as a predicatory statement, there are exceptions.

In general, The Trinity is an interpretation of Biblical texts made official by the Catholic church.

Answer 6

The Trinity doctrine is NOT supported by Bible truth.
It is a pagan teachings taught by false religions to obscure the identity of the true God 'Jehovah' , and his son Jesus Christ.

Even the Catholics know that it is not true as recorded in their official resource book on their teachings.

The Catholic Encyclopedia says this -
''In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together.''

So , if it is NOT found in the Bible , why is it taught ?

2 Corinthians 4:3-4 ". . .If, now, the good news we declare is in fact veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through."

By teaching their lies , religions are veiling the TRUTH.

This is NOT acceptable to the true God Jehovah.

John 4:23-24 ". . .Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth.""

Simply put , we MUST worship God with spirit and TRUTH.

By following proven pagan lies as part of our worship system we cannot 'EVER' please God.

True Christians do NOT follow the teaching of the trinity.


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Answer 7

Is your Bible the one true Bible of "the word of God".The Jewish Bible,The Catholic Bible,The Protestant Bible and The Jehovah's Witnesses Bible are significantly different from each other.Also, there are over 50 different versions of the Bible in English alone ! No wonder you are confused.

You are not meant to understand The Holy Trinity.It is a mystery. It cannot be reasoned with human logic. You either accept it ,or you don't.




The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible.But the Bible speaks of a "Triune" ( 3) God,which is the same thing.

There are 3 Divine Persons in the one God.

God The Father.God The Son. God The Holy Spirit. Each "person" is completely God, equal in majesty,and undivided in splendour.

EDIT.. To those who say the Spirit is less important ,you are wrong. All are equal and all are treated the same in worship.

There seems to be a lot of confusion on this subject from other Christians.I wonder why? I am always amazed at how they all know the truth but give many different answers.How can you trust them? (and i am one of them !)

Answer 8

You have to understand it is an attempt to explain the unexplainable. The early church had problems with people who wanted Jesus to be just a man and some that wanted him to be God. The church had to make a statement that defined Jesus. This is their solution. Don't go crazy trying to figure it out. It did help convert some that already had a similar concept such as the Irish. It is a simple idea for the complex subject and a complex idea for a simple subject. Alpha and Omega. Try explaining that one. We can't fully understand but just have a clue.

Answer 9

There is no such thing as the Trinity, This is largest lie that Satan uses to keep people from knowing who the True God is, if he can do this, he's got you.

He has cleverly kept a large proportion of mankind in darkness by means of false religion, making them think that they are serving God. Lacking in accurate knowledge of God and in love for truth, they may be attracted by mystical and emotional religious services or be impressed by powerful works.

“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matthew 24:36) How do these words confirm that Jesus is not Almighty God?

Jesus says that the Father knows more than the Son does. If Jesus were part of Almighty God, however, he would know the same facts as his Father. So, then, the Son and the Father cannot be equal. Yet, some will say: ‘Jesus had two natures. Here he speaks as a man.’ But even if that were so, what about the holy spirit? If it is part of the same God as the Father, why does Jesus not say that it knows what the Father knows?

1st of all Jesus said: He pointed to God as the Source of his life, saying, “I live because of the Father.” According to the context, this meant that his life resulted from or was caused by his Father, even as the gaining of life by dying men would result from their faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice.

Jesus’ being called the “only-begotten Son” does not mean that the other spirit creatures produced were not God’s sons, for they are called sons as well. However, by virtue of his being the sole direct creation of his Father, the firstborn Son was unique, different from all others of God’s sons, all of whom were created or begotten by Jehovah through that firstborn Son. So “the Word” was Jehovah’s “only-begotten Son” in a particular sense,

Jesus is also “Mighty God” and “Eternal Father.” This does not mean that he usurps the authority and position of Jehovah, who is “God our Father.” (2 Corinthians 1:2) “He [Jesus] gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.” (Philippians 2:6) He is called Mighty God, not Almighty God. Jesus never thought of himself as God Almighty, for he spoke of his Father as “the only true God,” that is, the only God who should be worshiped. (John 17:3;


Rev. 1:1; 3:14, RS: “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him, why did God have to give the revelation to Jesus, if he is God? .

Does the Bible teach that none of those who are said to be included in the Trinity is greater or less than another, that all are equal, that all are almighty? Mark 13:32, RS: “Of that day or that hour no ones knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Of course, that would not be the case if Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coequal, comprising one Godhead. And if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human nature from knowing, the question remains, Why did the Holy Spirit not know?)

John 14:28, RS: “[Jesus said:] If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.”

1 Cor. 11:3, RS: “I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” (Clearly, then, Christ is not God, and God is of superior rank to Christ. It should be noted that this was written about 55 C.E., some 22 years after Jesus returned to heaven.

A person who is really seeking to know the truth about God is not going to search the Bible hoping to find a text that he can construe as fitting what he already believes. He wants to know what God’s Word itself says. He may find some texts that he feels can be read in more than one way, but when these are compared with other Biblical statements on the same subject their meaning will become clear. It should be noted at the outset that most of the texts used as “proof” of the Trinity actually mention only two persons, not three; so even if the Trinitarian explanation of the texts were correct, these would not prove that the Bible teaches the Trinity

Answer 10

ok Lordy you've opened a can of beans here, but I"ll do my best. As far as I've interpreted you have 1 John 1 where it states the word was with God and the word was God. This is the beginning of time when Earth was formless. Ok, Why would it make mention of the word being with God, but also being God? I'd assume this is testament to the son of God's spirit residing in the presence of the almighty. Jesus is in fact God's son in fully human and fully deity form. So you have the Father who is the God over all things united with Jesus who is His son. Now, it states in REvelation that after all things are placed under the power of Jesus (the last thing being death), as a sacrifice, he hands over all power to God to thank Him for giving him all of the glory and power which was bestowed upon him. This to me speaks that God's son, Jesus is united with him as a wife is united with a husband. Completely unified in purpose, but not position. God, is the head of all things, but He has given Jesus the gift of mankind (since we come to God only through Him). Now, the Spirit of Jesus is what dwells within believers thus completing the trinity, but the Holy Spirit is the most abstract of deities to worship bc/ it seems as though the Spirit is Jesus' spirit thus making it Jesus, but if the Spirit is not Jesus, but our counselor than He is separate, but equal. So, Jesus and His Spirit are equal in purpose and power, only slightly lower than God who is God over everything. It's the best I can hope to understand it. Hopefully, though not fully succeeding at clearly answering your question you can gain a higher understanding of the concept of the Trinity through my explanation.

Answer 11

Most religions miss that Jesus loved God as we too should, the thied portion of the trinity is the holy spirit, which isn't worshiped as much as Jesus is by the misled but is a part of Gods gift for us. Jesus first tlked about this gift at the first communion.