A puppet on the string?

Question

If there ever should be a two state solution, will Palestine then be able to have an army? Will this army be allowed to be supported?

If there ever should be a peace agreement and if Palestine ever should recognize Israel, will they then have the same rights than other countries regarding army and weapons?

Or would a two states resolution mean that Palestine has to be a puppet on a string and strings will be pulled by Americans like they try to do in in Iraq right now?

It just crossed my mind because free elections got not recognized because the result was not satisfying some nations.

Please share your thoughts with me without getting nasty. I am against terror and violence no matter where it is coming from, okay?
edit Ultra: if you would like to answer you are welcome but please do not use your f........language and do not call me any names.

edit DumbBun: I do not give up on hoping to receive more qualfied answers.

What would a two States solution be good for if not both States would have the same rights? Both would have their own Government, (MAYBE a shared Capitol) an own currency and an own army. Would it be fair to establish the State of Israel and Palestine then is regulated by other countries? How could that be accectable? If there ever should be two countries then both countries should have the same rights. Or?

Answer 1

It would be a puppet on a string........... :( Abbas would be dictated to left and right with examples from above me, and from the US. Then if the Palestinian people couldn't take Abbass fighting to plz israel and plz america at the same time. Then the Palestinian people can't take anymore and again become sick and filled with sadness. I think all the settlers need to clear out of the west bank build a big continuous wall. The Palestinians can decorate it with colours of blue sky and rolling green hills. Give them full rights to have their own country. Airport.... everything the same way any country deserves ....then one day, like the Berlin Wall came down ,,,,,maybe the sky and green rolling hills "wall" will come down too and Pink Floyd will have a 2nd song. Insha Allah. God willing. Peace!

Wishful thinking for me would be that Israel will recognize Hamas and Hamas recognize Israel and they could talk and again have a gov. with Fatah and be included in the peace talks. Wishful thinking for me would be that all Israel would give the west bank (in the mean time) full autonomy and freedom to govern as any country does. Reality tells me that these things are not going to happen for a very long time. I hope you understand my points H. Thanx.

Answer 2

Your right a state has the right to defend itself with an army.

Though many states around the world actively do not have a military.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_without_armed_forces

Also Germany and Japan have agreements with the United States that obligate them to protect them in case of war.

A Palestinian state could do the same thing. A mutual defense pact which states if Israel or any other nation attacks the Palestinian state will result in a deceleration of war from the entire Arab League.

I would hope that would provide enough security for both sides to live with.

Answer 3

Not having a military is not the same as not having a legitimate government. A demilitarialized state is not the same as a puppet state.
We should diffrentiate in this debate between a police force and an army. Police are intended to control the civilian population while an army is intended for threats from abroad. I don't know where the concept of the 'right' to an army comes from; armies are a construct accepted by the international community, a right that can easily be lost. For example, if country A uses its army inappropriately, country B will destroy said army. The Palestinians do not have the 'right' to form an army for two very simple reasons: they violate the rules of warfare and they have no need. As for the first, as you say they should have the right just like any other country. However, if any other country's fighting force could not distinguish on a philosophical level between civilians and soldiers (i.e. define both civilians and soldiers as acceptable targets) then that countries fighting force would be forcibly removed. As for the second, any peace agreement would include a clause wherein Israeli military personnel would not be permitted to enter Palestinian land. At the same time, it's fair to wager that Jordan, the only other country capable, would never seek to conquer this area again and would certainly never attack. These two reasons mean that the Palestinians should not have an army.
A police force is a neccessity however. As the current and recent political situation shows, the Palestinians are not unified of purpose and very vulnerable to internal power struggles between different groups. In order to ensure a stable and prosperous country, the government must have a fighting force well trained and loyal, that is both willing and able to suppress terrorism and unwarranted international influence (i.e. Syria, al-Qaida). I do not suggest that the Palestinians be wholly defenseless, but at this stage I think it fair to state that an army is a privelege earned and not freely given.
You draw a parrallel to Iraq, but I think that premature. You should remember that America occupied both Germany and Japan after the war, and both those countries are now independently functioning entities, even though they had no army to speak of in the immediate aftermath. Perhaps if enough time has gone by peacefully after a deal has been reached then a small army could be allowed, but as I said earlier that is something that must be earned.

EDIT: A two-state solution does not mean that both states are to be identical. Far from it in fact. All it really means is that there will be Territory A recognized as belonging to the Israeli government and Territroy B recognized as belong to the Palestinian government. Both will have clearly delineated borders. However, at this point in time at least, both those countries will not be immediately on equal footing. A large section of Palestinian society steal actively seeks to destroy Israel outright and not just live peacefully side by side. Hamas was elected overwhelmingly on that very platform in fact. That society cannot have the means to attempt to accomplish its aims, or there will never be peace.
Therefore I see only two possibilities: a caretaker government led by peace seeking anti-terror internationals that over the course of a number of decades teaches Palestinians as a whole to renounce terror and violence and embrace human rights, or the solution I gave above. I thought the latter solution was superior because A) it means the Palestinians get self-rule and end occupation immediately and B) it might actually work, while I have serious doubts that the Palestinian street would accept a different occupying people enough to learn from them.

Answer 4

If Hamas would kindly declare the Gaza Strip to be an independent Palestine - although in practice they were regard it as only the germinus of a Palestinian state encompassing all the jewish-held territory - they would be recognized by many small countries and most Arab states. They would be entitled by international law to maintain an army and defend themselves. I doubt that the jews would recognize their right to exist so they would have no obligation to reciprocate. I think they should seize the day and declare.

Answer 5

toddlers like hand puppets because you could cause them to flow more convenient and they seem extra genuine to them. String ones are of route no longer genuine and are a soreness to save. toddlers like the hand puppets they are beautiful maximum off the time and are surely used. you could cover your self and use them besides.

Answer 6

There will be no two-state solution; the Palestinians will eventually oust the jews and recover their independence,then the jews can go back to wherever they came from or enjoy being treated the way they treat Palestinians today. I suppose they could box them up in the Gaza Strip and cut off their water,and so on.

Answer 7

A one state solution with the Palestinians as the majority is the best solution.

Answer 8

first of all dont ever think that bouth parties have the desire to solve the problem becouse bouth of them gaining and serviving from this problem.
secondly as you said that the palastinien well like apuppet on the string

Answer 9

Hi 'h'

I of course can't speak for Israel, but I would imagine that if and when the Palestinians recognise Israel, and when they have their own state which is self sufficient, and there is no more terrorism, then yes, they should be able to have the same things as any other nation, i.e. an army.

The problem with the elections was a really tricky one. How could Israel have peace talks with Hamas when the Hamas charter demands Israel's destruction?

Answer 10

if they'll have a country, i don't care what rights they'll have, as long as they won't ask for ANY help from Israel!
it's disturbing enough that we're helping the enemy now - Gaza.
they can live as they want. THEY ARE NOT ISRAEL PROBLEM. they can rot there, for I care!