I mean there are no HISTORIANS actually valid HISTORIANS alive during that time that claim there was a man doing miracles. If you can find one show me?
2007-12-20 07:06:40 · 37 answers · asked by Programmer 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Sorry, nothing. Oh the apologetics claim all kinds of information, but the truth is NONE. Historians and scholars have searched and are still searching. Nothing.
The truth is there were many savior gods being worshiped 2000 years ago. What you are going to get for answers here is yes, there is all kinds of proof, but the reality is there is nothing at all.
2007-12-20 07:16:05 · answer #1 · answered by Tricia R 5 · 1⤊ 4⤋
I find it amazing how quickly those who claim to want historical viability reject the Bible for what it is, a 1st century source of historical evidence. How do you classify a "valid" historian? One who agrees with you or rejects Christ's existence? No "valid" historians existed until well into the 2nd millennia if we use your criteria. Does that negate Rome's history? Charlemagne's? We have primary sources that do list Christ as a person and documents His followers.
The real fact of the matter is that no historian today worth his/her salt would reject the existence of man names Jesus of Nazareth. If you want proof Christ is the Son of God, well, that is an issue of faith.
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2007-12-20 07:21:55 · answer #2 · answered by athanasius was right 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Yes.
There are numerous historians, and letters to roman officials that mention Jesus. As you can imagine, the letters and the historical records are not very favorable. They claim that Jesus was a "sorcerer" who learned his tricks while living in Egypt. Then they talk about the "pernicious superstition" about his death and resurrection. Flavius Josephus, the Jewish historian, mentions him briefly, and with neutral opinion.
Some examples:
Cornelius Tacitus (AD 55-120)
Lucian of Samosata
Suetonius (under Hadrian)
Pliny the Younger
Thallus (AD 50ish)
Phlegon confirms a "solar eclipse" at the time of Jesus death
Mara Bar-Serapion (Stoic philosopher who complained about how good philosophers were often killed, like Socrates and Jesus)
The Babylonian Talmud reads: "On the eve of Passover they hanged Yeshu. An announcer went out in front of him for forty days, saying "he is going to be stoned becuase he practiced sorcery and enticed and led Israel astray" (Hanging was a word also used for crucifixion in those days because there wasn't a hebrew word for crucifixion)
Hope that helps somewhat.
Those who claim everything was fabricated are following a method of inquiry called German Rationalism and the Documentary Hypothesis. This view of studying scripture assumes up front that anything that refers to a miracle or anything supernatural is WRONG because such things are impossible. Not terribly open minded, but that is my opinion.
2007-12-20 07:19:56 · answer #3 · answered by greengo 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
The Roman historian and writer Tacitus and the Jewish historian and writer Josephus both wrote about Jesus the man who lived. There is a large difference between taking the Bible as record for what he did versus whether he existed. The Acts were written within 30 years of his death by Paul, but because they are part of the Bible, they are discredited as evidence.
Both Tacitus and Josephus are highly regarded for their writings and neither were Christian. Proof of existence is different then proof of his deeds.
2007-12-20 08:26:18 · answer #4 · answered by sweetbearsg2003 3 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Some academics reckon that Luke, who wrote Luke's gospel and Acts was an excellent historian. Eg a famous archaelogist once tried to prove Acts was bunkum by investigating the sites in Acts .. the information in Acts helped him locate places.
Of course most of the establishment literature in Rome and Greece was by philosophers, autobiographies on famous politicians, stuff praising the Emperors. They weren't interested in a miracle worker from a small despised province of the Empire.
2007-12-20 07:40:22 · answer #5 · answered by Cader and Glyder scrambler 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The 1st Century Jewish historian Josephus talks of Jesus of Nazareth in some detail. He is a very important historian to our understanding of the Jewish and Roman societies at that time. Also, don't forget that Paul and the Apostles letters in the New Testament were written within 10 years after when Jesus died, so they are first hand accounts. Considering their reward for these letters and their preaching was prison and execution, you cannot say they made up someone for personal gain, even if you don't think Jesus was who they said He was.
2007-12-20 07:18:14 · answer #6 · answered by republocrat 3 · 2⤊ 1⤋
Nither were any around who WITNESSED the building of the pyramids, but you see them don't you. Even more, to this day, no one knows for certain how they were built, because scientist cannot believe the Phonecians were more intelligent than they are. Hmmm.! Let's look at that for a moment.
Scientist say that the world was created by evolution and people evolved from apes, yet they cannot prove it. These same scientist who cannot come up with a cure for Asthma, Leukemia, Cancer, Diabetes, Autism, etc. yet they refuse to believe in GOD because there is no scientific proof in their eyes HE exist. Well I can tell you this, I personally know many people who were afflicted with things such as these, and by the Mighty name of Jesus were healed completely. I am one such person. I had Chronic Asthma for 36 years, taking inhalers 4 & 5 times a day, taking steroids, shots, you name it, the doctors tried it. Well I decided to go to The LORD about it, and from that prayer, and faith I will have you know sir, I have been completely cured of Asthma and allergies for over 7 years now. And I even had my Doctor confirm my healing. We are talking scientifically, documented, proof of my being healed, because one does not simply not have Asthma anymore after suffering for so long with it. And that in and of itself refutes any remote possiblity of the thought that Jesus does not exist. Not to mention, I have the pleasure of seeing GOD work in my life, and miracles happening all the time. Have you ever heard of a scientist explaning why you wake up everyday, requiring oxygen to breathe there is really no logical reason for it, since before being born, you breathed amniotic fluid, but yet, the spiritual reason behind it is clear. GOD created you from the dust of the earth, and "Breathed life into you"!
GOD loves you, and wants you to get to know him. Don't let that opportunity slip away. Son, tomorrow is not promised to you, all you have is today, and a hope for tomorrow.
As far as scientist go, tell me, how does one evolve into a person out of nothing, in which you suddenly have a heart, a spleen, a gall Bladder, intestines that can strech for miles, and 70 thousand capillaries, 200 + nerves, 204 bones, 7 layers of skin, sweat glands, millions of hair follicles, oh, and get this, man (scientist don't even know how many hairs are on the head, yet The Father GOD knows all the aforementioned and more. Adam named all the animals, need I go on.
Before you decide to give credit to historians about what they can and cannot prove, let me remind you, they originally thought the world was flat and if you traveled too far, you would fall off. Yeah buddy, historians huh? Put that in your Historians cap.
Recognize this, before anything was, i.e. humans, the world as we "Think" we know it, animals, GOD was! HE is from everlasting to everlasting. As it says in Gen. 1 " In the beginning the earth was void and without light, GOD said let there be light, and the light was good in the sight of GOD.
2007-12-20 07:47:38 · answer #7 · answered by Praying Man 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
To be frank- fairly much each and every little thing in history is disputable- for a start up the earliest source pointing out the lifestyles of Julius Ceasar grow to be written in 900A.D and yet no longer many human beings have problem trusting that he existed. And definite there are censuses and so on. pointing out the lifestyles of a Joshua Ben Joseph from Nazareth from that factor.
2016-11-04 03:43:10 · answer #8 · answered by ? 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
My views:
Christ was born to Joseph and Mary, who was NOT a virgin, but a pious lady.
On the day of his birth, Venus and Jupiter were in the same degree of the Zodiac - only this can explain the bright star and also such a combination means (astrologically), the birth of someone who can attain enlightenment. This arrangement happens once in more than 2000 years.
Jesus was in India for close to 25 years, where he learnt various disciplines of the universal religion (now called Hinduism) and being so sharp and open, he picked up more than many masters could teach him.
He went back and tried to explain the concept to people that knew nothing of this kind of teachings. He was ostracised for this as no one understood. However, since he was so pious, so happy and peaceful and so empathetic that many people flocked towards him.
He could have left his body as any other Hindu Sage, but planned his own death such that it would leave an impact on people. Judas was his aide in this plan - unfortunately the others treated Judas so badly later that Judas was forced to commit suicide.
After he was placed in the cross, (in the night) his close disciples took him away and hid him in a tomb and tried to nurse him back to life. This is why Mary Magdalene (his wife) went to the tomb three days later. the shroud that covered him is now known as the Turin Shroud.
As strength was failing him and he knew he would die - he gave a last sermon on the mount. Disciples thought he was resurrected from the dead.
As in the movie "Da Vinci Code", Jesus has a lineage that is alive to this day. They hide from the same clergy that I often deride. The same clergy later distorted the story and destroyed all good books except the present one which aids them in getting power. They also changed many other important aspects of the book.
Do not deride this good and enlightened soul, please.
Deride the church or make mockery of the blind followers of the Church.... but also know that they shall truly be forgiven for they know not what they do.
Leave enlightened souls like Jesus, Buddha, Ramakrishna etc alone. They never preached any bigotry or one-sided truth.
2007-12-20 07:40:44 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 2⤋
Josepheus, a Jewish historian...he wrote about jesus and his brother james (?)...
Josepheus also wrote about massada, the famed locale and battle between the romans and the jewish zealots, where the jews instead of surrrendering committed group suicide..so some would say that establishes his credibility.
however, i saw a program on thc that was recently made doubting the scholarship of josepheus....
in the end, faith doesn't require proof...AND, i haven't read or seen any proof that Jesus didn't exist...of course some doubt his status, but...........not that he physically existed.
2007-12-20 07:53:57 · answer #10 · answered by cramsib 3 · 2⤊ 0⤋