Non-Trinitarian Christians: Why don't you believe in the doctirne of the trinity and reject it?

Question

Non-Trinitarian Christians only please.

Answer 1

Because there is no such teaching in the Bible.

Just look at a typical Y!A R&S trinity question. Even those who profess to believe in the trinity cannot explain it. Then where did they get it from? The Bible is supposed to give us answers, if the Bible says A and a group of men say B, we have to take the Bible's point of view.

Jesus NEVER said he was God.

Some say he was "only human" then. But how come even after he had been resurrected for roughly 65 years, the apostles still referred to the Father as Jesus' God?

Jesus said he did not know the "day or hour". Only the Father knew. Why didn't the holy spirit know?

How come in those verses they quote where they say it says the Father and the Son are "equal" or one, there is no mention of the holy spirit?

How come only two parts of the trinity have names?

Even the illustrations they give do not make sense.

1) The water example. Yes there are three states, made of the same chemical substance. But the steam is NOT the water, nor the ice and vice-versa and vice-versa. They are THREE SEPERATE PHASES existing at the same time in certain conditions.

2) The egg example. The Father is the shell, the Son the egg white, the holy spirit the yolk= one egg. But the trinity doctrine teaches that EACH of them are GOD. The shell on its own is not an EGG, neither are the others. (Unless anyone here on Y!A would agree to buy a tray of shells!!!)

3) The three-lobed leaf. The three lobes are not seperate leaves. It is ONE leaf with three lobes. If someone says the seperate lobes are "leaves" on their own, then they need to go back to Botany 101.

4) The time example. There is the past, the present and the future. The THREE cannot exist at the SAME TIME. The past is gone, the future is not here yet. So, which of the three is not here yet? The Father? The Son? The holy spirit?

5) The husband-son-father example. A man can be a son, a father and a husband at the same time. But is he THREE individuals? He is ONE man playing three roles. He can be an employee as well, that would be a fourth role.

6) 1+1+1=1 (That one is clearly nonsensical, unless there's someone here who's willing to trade $3 for $1.)

7) 1x1x1=1. Mathematically correct, but not according to Matthew 28:19. There it says "in the name of the Father AND of the Son AND of the holy spirit. Sorry, AND means "to add" in Math. I'm yet to be shown a verse that says "OR" in place of the "AND".

I could go on and on and on.

The best answer I've heard so far in defense of the trinity is that it is a mystery. Much better to admit to ignorance than to defend something that makes no sense.

Answer 2

One of the many accusations non-believers use against Christians is that they go on pure faith... blind faith... and dismiss logic. This is one area where logic is a big part of realizing that the Trinity is unscriptural.

If you read the Gospels through ... setting aside any preconceived notions ... you cannot help but see that God is one being, one person, and that Jesus Christ, is the son another separate person. Unless you see things that way, you must come away with the belief that Jesus was suffering from a mental disorder known today as Disassociative Identity Disorder. How often do we not hear him discuss being sent by, greater than, doing the will of his Father. How many times do we not hear him praying to the Father? Who is he praying to? His last words to his disciples before ascending to heaven for the last time were "all authority HAS BEEN GIVEN ME in heaven and on earth" (Matthew 28:18) If he's God why did he need someone to give him authority and who was it that gave it to him. There's also things like God is from everlasting to everlasting, yet Jesus died. And if he was God in the flesh at the time, who resurrected him and to whom did he tell Mary he was ascending when he said to MY GOD and YOUR GOD?

Some will use an example of water and that it can become different things at different times. That is true. But ask yourself, can water be two things at once? Can you have a glass of water on your kitchen counter and have that same glass of water in the form of icecubes in your freezer at the same time?

Answer 3

Dear Friend,
"Trinity" word is not to be found anywhere in the Bible...
But it is present in the Quran....

Quran Sura 4 . An-Nisaa
171
O People of the Book! Do not transgress the limits of your religion. Speak nothing but the Truth about Allah. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary was no more than a Messenger of Allah and His Word "Be" which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit from Him which took the shape of a child in her womb. So believe in Allah and His Messengers and do not say: "Trinity"." Stop saying that, it is better for you. Allah is only One Deity. He is far above from the need of having a son! To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the Earth. Allah Alone is sufficient for protection.

172
The Messiah (Jesus) never disdained to be the worshipper of Allah nor do the angels who are nearest to Allah. Whosoever disdains His worship and is arrogant will be brought before Him all together.

173
As for those who have faith and do righteous deeds, He will pay them their due compensation and give them more on His own from His grace, but He will inflict painful punishment on those who are disdainful and arrogant, and they will find none (of those on whom they rely) to protect or help them
besides Allah.

Quran Sura 5 Al-Maida
72-74
Certainly they have disbelieved who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." While Christ himself said: "O children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever commits shirk (joins partners with Allah), Allah will deny him the paradise, and the hellfire will be his home. There will be no helper for the wrongdoers.Certainly they are unbelievers who say: "Allah is one of three in a Trinity." There is no god except One Allah. If they do not stop saying what they say, a painful punishment will befall the disbelievers among them.[73] Will they not then turn to Allah and seek His forgiveness? Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

75-77
Christ, the son of Mary, was no more than a Messenger; many Messengers had already passed away before him. His mother was a truthful woman; they both ate earthly food like other human beings. See how the Revelations are made clear to them to know the reality; yet see how they ignore the truth![75] Ask them: "Would you worship besides Allah someone who can neither harm nor benefit you? While Allah is He who hears all and knows all."[76] Tell them: "O people of the Book! Do not transgress the bounds of truth in your religion, and do not yield to the fancies of those people who went astray before you, They misled many others and have themselves
strayed away from The Right Way.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac/ang.htm

There was a shock survey of anglican bishops ......the contents are given below which states nearly 61.29 % did not believe in divinity of Jesus christ pbh

Answer 4

For the same reasons as the people below:

Socinians, as they later came to be called, wanted most of all to restore the pure Christianity taught in the Bible. They felt that the Protestant Reformation had merely skimmed off some of the corruption and rituals from the Catholic Church while leaving its rotten core, its unbiblical teachings, quite intact.

Like the religions around them, they were guilty of many errors. Still, of all the religions of the Reformation, this rivulet of Socinianism adhered to the Bible more than most.

Why Did They Reject the Trinity?

Like Servetus before them, though, the Socinians were most renowned for rejecting the churches’ teaching on the Trinity. Why did they? Their reasoning followed two lines. First and foremost, they saw that it was unscriptural.

“In place of a doctrine whose very terms—Trinity, hypostasis, person, substance, essence—were not taken from the Bible but invented by philosophers, and whose Christ was little more than a philosophical abstraction, he wished to get men to put their faith in a living God, in a divine Christ who had been a historical reality, and in a Holy Spirit forever working in the hearts of men.” He believed the three were one only in the sense of John 17:21 and considered holy spirit to be God’s active force, not a person.

Further, the Socinians found the doctrine’s so-called Scriptural supports to be quite weak. The favorite scripture of Trinitarians, 1 John 5:7, was already well-known as a corrupted text, a later and uninspired addition to the Bible. The other, John 1:1, makes sense only when understood as calling Christ “divine,” or “a god,” instead of making him the same as almighty God.

The most devastating blow to the Trinity, though, was that the Bible’s very description of God, Jesus, and holy spirit makes the membership of each of them in any trinity quite impossible. How so? Well, first of all, holy spirit is shown in the Bible to be not a person at all but, rather, God’s active force. (Luke 1:41; Acts 10:38) Second, Christ could not be “coequal and coeternal” with the Father, since the Bible describes him as subordinate to his Father and as having been created by Him. (John 14:28; Colossians 1:15) Finally, how could Jehovah, so often described as the one God, actually be part of a threefold deity? Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 44:6.

Thus, on Biblical grounds the Socinians refuted the Trinity. But they also rejected it on the grounds of pure reason. According to a historian of the Reformation: “Socinus held that . . . although [the Bible] may contain things above reason, it does not contain anything contrary to reason.” The Trinity, with its contradictory notions of one god who is at the same time three persons, clearly fell into the latter category.

The Minor Reformed Church (as Socinians were officially called) flourished in Poland for nearly a hundred years. At their peak they numbered up to 300 congregations. They established a colony at Raków, northeast of Kraków, set up a printing press, and founded a university that attracted respected teachers and students from far and wide. From their press poured some 500 different pamphlets, books, and tracts in some 20 languages. Missionaries and traveling students secretively spread these all over Europe.

Hated as they were by Catholics and Protestants alike, though, the Socinians were not to remain at peace for long. Socinus himself was attacked, beaten, mobbed, and nearly drowned for his beliefs. Even before his death in 1604, the Jesuits, bent on reestablishing the Catholic Church’s supremacy in Poland, had slowly begun to insinuate their way into positions of influence with the king.

Persecution of the Socinians began to increase. In 1611 a wealthy Socinian was stripped of his property and sentenced to have his tongue cut off, to be beheaded, to have a hand and a foot cut off, and then to be burned. Of course, he could live on in peace if he would just change his religion. He wouldn’t budge. He faced his execution unwaveringly in the Warsaw marketplace.

Socinian writings continued to exert influence. The Racovian Catechism, founded on Socinus’ writings and published shortly after his death, was translated into English by John Biddle in 1652. Parliament had copies seized and burned and had Biddle thrown into prison. Although released for a time, he was again put in prison and died there.

But arguments against the Trinity would not die so easily in England, where many learned and reasonable men saw their Scriptural truth. Sir Isaac Newton, one of the greatest scientists in all of history, refuted the Trinity in his writings and is sometimes called a Socinian. Joseph Priestley, famous chemist and the discoverer of oxygen, was also called a Socinian. John Milton, the great poet, renounced the Trinity.

Answer 5

Its nowhere in scripture.Plus, the Bible the Bible says the total opposite.

Answer 6

Because we read the whole bible and not just two or three verses.

Answer 7

Oxymoron. There is no such thing as a non-Trinitarian Christian.

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