Can anyone show me where in the catechism of the Catholic Church?

Question

Does it say we obtain salvation through works? Exact location, please.

LOL!! Chris, you are lying, again. The Church does not, and never has, taught salvation by works. If you would take 2 monets of your time to actually READ what the Church teaches, then you would know that your disgruntled ex-catholic's 'testimonies' are lies.

Thank you, Wolfeblayde, same to you!

I find it quite telling that the only one who says otherwise cannot provide the proof of this teaching from the catechism. Probably because....it doesn't exist!! Thanks for the answers!

Sorry Chris - your links are not the catechism. Try again

Sorry Chris - your links are not the catechism. Try again

Answer 1

good stuff that Chris, makes me feel better about myslef

the carm site is mostly "well i always thought we believed x" okay, people can think whatever they want, they can think americans want to eat puppies. doesn't make it true.

the second one is hard to read, but the part about section 819 i found incredibly ironic (819 says that non-catholics can receive salvation)
1. the author whined about being out of the fold while simultaneously damning catholics
2. basically said "it would seem this pertains to non-catholics, but i'll pretend that it doesn't so i can have a feeble straw man arguement"

what's interesting is if the RC actually taught this, Chris could find it with a simple google search and shut us up for good.

Answer 2

It does not, and that is the misconception of those, like you stated, who have no idea about the Catholic faith, trying to give veracity to thier beliefs.
It is sad that people who believe in one Lord and savior have to spend their days arguing over trivialities.
I pray that someday instead of the differences we concentrate on the similarity, Christ Jesus savior of humanity, God the Father, creator and merciful to no end, and the Holy Spirit, our true guide and inspirer.
This is the truth of the Church, not that promulgated by those who "were Catholic" yet never took the time to really study thier faith.
God bless you and those here, especially those who know no better, they need our prayers even more.

Answer 3

I know that Fundamentalists do not like to be bothered with actual "facts", but every once in a while I have to throw a few out.

Here is what the church teaches regarding grace, justification, and works:

CCC 1996: "Our justification comes from the grace of God. Grace is favor, the free and undeserved help that God gives us..."

CCC 2010: "Since the initiative belongs to God in the order of grace, no one can merit the initial grace of forgiveness and justification..."

CCC 1992: "Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ who offered himself on the cross as a living victim, holy and pleasing to God, and whose blood has become the instrument of atonement for the sins of all men."

Catholics do NOT believe in justification by works apart from Christ. As usual, the Catechism (CCC) is out there for all to see, but people would rather parrot anti-Catholic rhetoric then bother to actually read what the Church teaches - and I don't mean read what the Church teaches according to Jimmy Swaggart or Jack Chick, I mean read what the Church teaches according to the Church.

People might want to read this link too: http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1999/9911fea1.asp

Answer 4

A quick search:

837: Fully incorporated into the society of the Church are those who, possessing the Spirit of Christ, accept all the means of salvation given to the Church . . . one who does not however peresevere in charity is not saved.

1823: Jesus makes charity the new commandment. . . . "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you."

1257: The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. . . . Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament

980 It is through the sacrament of Penance that the baptized can be reconciled with God and with the Church. . . This sacrament of Penance is necessary for salvation for those who have fallen after Baptism, just as Baptism is necessary for salvation for those who have not yet been reborn.

2036: The authority of the Magisterium extends also to the specific precepts of the natural law, because their observance, demanded by the Creator, is necessary for salvation.

1129: The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation.

Cheers,
Bruce

Answer 5

It doesn't. I just posted a quote stating the exact opposite saying we are saved by Grace alone.

Par 1999
Our justification comes from the grace of God. Grace is favor, the free and undeserved help that God gives us to respond to his call to become children of God, adoptive sons, partakers of the divine nature and of eternal life.

God Bless
Robin

Answer 6

I would if I could, but it doesn't exist.

So I shan't because I can't. ;-)

(Merry Christmas, friend -- hope you have a wonderful and blessed day!)

Answer 7

It doesn't.....