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The Bible says that Abraham took Isaac to be Sacrificed BUT where does it say Ishmael???
"They came to the place which G-d had told him of. Avraham built the altar there, and laid the wood in order, bound Yitzchak(Isaac) his son, and laid him on the altar, on the wood. " Bereshit(Genesis) 22:10

2007-12-20 01:39:48 · 15 answers · asked by Messianic Jewish Shmuely 4 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

The only reason why I ask is because people keep wishing me a Happy Eid Al-Adha

2007-12-20 01:45:11 · update #1

in response to Omar's answer, I'm sorry to tell you but your al Qur'an has been changed, there are at least 20 versions and 7 alone are mentioned in the Hadith! I highly doubt any Arabic speaker of today could have a conversation with an Arabic speaker of muhammeds day!

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-quran-changed-20-versions.htm

2007-12-20 01:55:25 · update #2

15 answers

Ishmael wasn't taken to be sacrificed, that was changed for the Koran.

In the original scriptures, Isaac was taken to be sacrificed, in fact, Ishamel had already been cast out, so he was long gone by the whole time the sacrifice thing came around.

Though many people claim that Ishmael had rights as the first born son, he was illegitimate, since his mother was not married to Abraham and was only a slave. God promised to take care of Ishmael and build him a nation, but since Isaac was the legitamite son and heir, born of the prophecy of Sarah, the wife, he was the chosen one of God.

The Koran altered this fact, although I don't know why, since it states that Ishmael would be getting his own empire, it didn't damn him or anything. Ishmael was Jewish / Egyptian religion too, btw, and that's been changed a lot.

The fact is, all the original texts state that Isaac was the one to be sacrificed, and they came before the Koran. If you accept that Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael were all prophets and part of the same blood family, than you can't deny the true telling of the story, because you then would have to deny the prophets.

It's not pick and choose and change whatever you please. There's already been too much of that.

2007-12-24 11:01:32 · answer #1 · answered by sephienie 3 · 1 0

He wasn't there, read this.

ISHMAEL
(Ish′ma·el) [God Hears (Listens)].
 Son of Abraham by Sarah’s Egyptian slave girl Hagar; born in 1932 B.C.E., his father being 86 years old at the time.—Ge 16:1-4, 11-16.

When informed that Sarah would also have a son from whom “kings of peoples” would come, Abraham petitioned God in behalf of his firstborn: “O that Ishmael might live before you!” God’s reply, after declaring that the future son Isaac would be the covenant heir, was: “As regards Ishmael I have heard you. Look! I will bless him and will make him fruitful and will multiply him very, very much. He will certainly produce twelve chieftains, and I will make him become a great nation.” (Ge 17:16, 18-20) Ishmael was then circumcised, at the age of 13, along with his father and his father’s servants.—Ge 17:23-27.

A year later Isaac was born; Ishmael was now 14. (Ge 16:16; 21:5) Five years after that, in 1913 B.C.E., on the day of Isaac’s being weaned, Ishmael was caught “poking fun” at his younger half brother. (Ge 21:8, 9) This was no innocent child’s play on the part of Ishmael. Rather, as implied by the next verse in the account, it may have involved a taunting of Isaac over heirship. The apostle Paul says these events were “a symbolic drama” and shows that the mistreatment of Isaac by the half-blooded Egyptian Ishmael was persecution. Hence, this was the beginning of the foretold 400 years of Israel’s affliction that ended with deliverance from Egyptian bondage in 1513 B.C.E.—Ga 4:22-31; Ge 15:13; Ac 7:6; see ISAAC.

Ishmael’s demonstration of scorn toward Isaac led to the dismissal of him and his mother from Abraham’s household, but not without provisions for their journey. Abraham “took bread and a skin water bottle and gave it to Hagar, setting it upon her shoulder, and the child, and then dismissed her.” (Ge 21:14) Some have interpreted this to mean that Ishmael, now 19 years old, was also placed on the back of Hagar, and indeed this is the way some translations read. (JB, Mo, Bagster’s LXX) Certain scholars, however, consider the phrase “setting it upon her shoulder” as only parenthetical, inserted to explain how the bread and water were carried, and so, if this phrase is placed in parentheses or set off by commas, the difficulty is removed. Professors Keil and Delitzsch assert that the expression “and the child” depends upon the sentence’s principal verb “took,” not on the verb “gave” or the word “setting.” This tie-in of “the child” with “took” is made by the conjunction “and.” The thought, therefore, is this: Abraham took bread and water and gave them to Hagar (placing them on her shoulder) and took the child and also gave it to her.—Commentary on the Old Testament, 1973, Vol. I, The First Book of Moses, pp. 244, 245.

2007-12-20 01:55:31 · answer #2 · answered by tahoe02_4me62 4 · 3 1

COFFEE
Please do not slander Ishmael by calling him the "ANTI"
ISHMAEL WAS GREATLY LOVED BY GOD. SO WAS HIS MOTHER.

Many people today slander Hagar and Ishmael just because they hold high status in Islam. I am not saying that is what you are doing. But, people who do this should know better.

Ishmael was no bastard. It clearly states that Ishmael was blessed as was Hagar. Further, God ordered Abraham to marry Hagar and bare children with her. GOD WOULD NOT ORDER HIS PROPHET ABRAHAM (a prophet in all three religions - Christianity, Islam and Judaism) TO COMMIT SIN AND HAVE BASTARD CHILDREN.

Genesis 16

3 So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian maidservant Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife.

NOTICE IT SAYS WIFE...

Further proof Ishmael was not a bastard.
Genesis 16

11 The angel of the LORD also said to her:
"You are now with child
and you will have a son.
You shall name him Ishmael, [a]
for the LORD has heard of your misery.

WHY WOULD GOD BLESS THE WOMAN WHO IS BARING HIS PROPHETS SON IF THIS SON WAS TO BE A "BASTARD"

MORE PROOF ISHMAEL WAS NO BASTARD... Abraham gets circumcised along side his 13 year old first born son ISHMAEL.

Genesis 17

24 Abraham was ninety-nine years old when he was circumcised, 25 and his son Ishmael was thirteen; 26 Abraham and his son Ishmael were both circumcised on that same day.

Re-read the Bible. Specifically in Deuteronomy 21 where it states....

The Right of the Firstborn

15 If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, 16 when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love. 17 He must acknowledge the son of his unloved wife as the firstborn by giving him a double share of all he has. That son is the first sign of his father's strength. The right of the firstborn belongs to him.

This directly applies to the situtation of Ishmael, Isaac and Abraham. God has stated clearly that the FIRST BORN SON IS THE RIGHTFUL HEIR of their FATHER. And, that it does not matter what the relationship is between FATHER (ABRAHAM) and the FIRST BORN's MOTHER (HAGAR).

How you feel about Isaac and the Covenant is one thing. BUT DO NOT COMMIT BLASPHEMY AGAINST ORDERS OF GOD TO HIS PROPHET AND SLANDER THE NAME OF HAGAR (who was a good servant of GOD and followed HIS orders) and ABRAHAM's FIRST BORN SON ISHMAEL.

Again this is not directed at anyone directly.

2007-12-22 23:47:41 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1 2

You are absolutely correct, God was testing Abraham's obedience to Him.

Isaac was spared because God provided a suitable substitute for Isaac.

What I normally hear is Muslims believe that it was Ishmael and that the Jews lied about it in their records.

God made it very clear that it would be Isaac that would inherit all that was Abraham's possessions.

Some Muslims feel that they were cheated because Ishmael was the eldest of Abraham's sons.

Does anyone remember what God told Hagar when she ran away from Sarai?

.....11.....
And the Angel of the Lord said to her:
"Behold you are with child,
And you shall bear a son.
You shall call his name Ishmael,
Because the Lord has heard your affliction.
.....12.....
He shall be a wild man;
His hand shall be against every man,
And every man's hand against him.
And he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."
Genesis 16:11&12

Also a passage that is just as interesting is about Joseph being sold into slavery.

.....25.....
And they sat down to eat a meal.
Then they lifted their eyes and looked, and there was a company of Ishmaelites, coming from Gilead with their camels, bearing spices, balm, and myrrh, on their way to carry them down to Egypt.
.....26.....
So Judah said to his brothers, "What profit is there if we kill our brother and conceal his blood?
.....27.....
"Come and let us sell him to the Ishmaelites, and let not our hand be upon him, for he is our brother and our flesh."
And his brothers listened.
.....28.....
Then midianite traders passed by; so the brothers pulled Joseph up and lifted him out of the pit and sold him to the Ishmaelites for twenty shekels of silver.
And they took Joseph to Egypt.

It was the Ishmaelites that bought Joseph and took him to Egypt and sold him to Potifer the captain of the guard.

God uses people in strange ways.

Also did you know that upon the death of Abraham; Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, which is before Mamre, in the field of Ephron the son of Sohar the Hittite. Genesis 25:8&9.

There is no mention of Ishmael holding a grudge against Isaac in these passages.

grace2u

2007-12-20 02:15:53 · answer #4 · answered by Theophilus 6 · 3 0

Ishmael was never sacrificed. He and Hagar were sent away from Abraham and Sarah. God promised to bless Ishmael, and God did so, but Ishmael wasn't the son of God's choosing. Isaac is the son of God's choosing to carry on to Jesus Christ and salvation by grace through faith without works. Because false gospels of works lead to eternal hell.

2007-12-20 01:44:11 · answer #5 · answered by Chris 4 · 4 2

That sounds like Muslim doctrine. They have replaced Isaac with Ishmael to legitimize their claims that the Muslims inherited the promises of God given to Isaac.

2007-12-20 01:45:21 · answer #6 · answered by Foxfire 4 · 6 2

As far as I know of, it doesn't. I don't know who is telling you this, but they are wrong. By the time Abraham took Isaac to the mountaintop, Ishmael and his mother had been sent away from Abraham's family.

2007-12-20 01:43:35 · answer #7 · answered by mommanuke 7 · 5 3

it doesn't....

Isaac was the promised child.....

Abraham's obedience to God with his only "promised" son Issac pointed forward and was a representation of the sacrifice of God's own son....

Ishmael is the representation of the anti...the false....

2007-12-20 02:00:58 · answer #8 · answered by coffee_pot12 7 · 2 0

the bible is false cant u see that it has been changed so many times maybe more than you mother has ever change you diapers .
the truth is in the qoran that never been changed over 1400 years it happened in mecca where Abraham and his first born son Ishmael re built the holiest place on earth that was built before them by the father of all humanity (Adam )

2007-12-20 01:49:33 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 2 5

The Tanakh/'old' testament doesn't say it was Ishmael, because it was Isaac.

2007-12-20 01:43:34 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 6 2

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