Do You want to see a free and Democratic Iran without America using ,ilitary action?

Question

Here is a sight where you can help. If you don't wish to see America pushing into Iran then get more involved or you can just sit back and complain and possibly watch Americans die in vast numbers in Iran. Help Iranians overthrow the Ayatollah.
http://www.petitiononline.com/LeadIran/petition.html

*MILITARY sorry typo....

Wineboy...I did know that but the year was 1951 under Eisenhower,
http://www.fff.org/comment/com0501i.asp
There is a link showing you of how,when, and why Iran's Mahamed Masehd was overthrown by CIA backed operatives. Secondly, the next links provide proof of why the government needs to be overthrown by it's people again!!!
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/index.php?storytopic=3

Loyal without France's help America would still be under British rule!

Bottom line....Iran left unchecked will create dissent and safe havens for terrorist's. The Ayatollah's are slowly but certainly destroying proud national landmarks of the PERSIAN People, not Arabs. Iran is not Iraq. It's Iraq times 100. There society is westernized, educated, and has an infrastructure 100 times that of which Iraq ever had. Women are being hung in the streets because of warped extremist ideals. The school systems in this great country are being turned into extremist Islam breeding grounds. The western pull Iran has had under the Shah with the U.S. creating such an infrastructure has made many Iranians love the idea of being free and democratic. Though they do vote. The Ayatollah's rule over whomever they vote for. Most want to be free of extremist Islam. Let's help them be free, but for real this time!!!!!

John---- Thank you for the info here is what I found--The 1953 CIA coup in Iran was named “Operation Ajax” and was engineered by a CIA agent named Kermit Roosevelt, the grandson of President Theodore Roosevelt. Capitalizing on the oil-nationalization showdown between Iran and Great Britain, which had thrown Iran into chaos and crisis, Kermit Roosevelt skillfully used a combination of bribery of Iranian military officials and CIA-engendered street protests to pull off the coup.
Thank you for clearing that up for me.

Mother....Thank you for adding to this important discussion, I owe ya one

Thanks libstick---Peace in the middle east would be more of a commodity to them than oil is now.

Pacer----Thank you, ironically enough it has just been reported that president Putin of Russia has just been outed as richest man in Europe. The magic #? 40 billion dollars amassed over the past 8 years. Kinda funny whether there is a relation to your figure or not who knows.

Wine boy, Yes he NATIONALIZED the oil industry....Code name I'm taking your company that you invested millions of dollars in and I'm kicking you out and keeping it for myself. The man over stepped his bounds.

Smart Guy thanks and back atcha!

Answer 1

Thanks for the info.

Yes, I would like to see all countries in the middle east turn away from radical Islam, and turn to Government free from religious extremism of any form. I think the US should economically have incentives that would help any country that separates religion and government and practices a free democracy with plenty of aid, and also trade. Instead of giving China and Japan preferred trade status include the middle eastern countries if they promote ending extremism and a more tolerant form of Government. Iran should be a target country along with Syria, Turkey, and Afghanistan. If those big 4 would end secular violence and human rights violation, it would go along way with stabilizing the region and bringing a long needed peace to all.

Edit: I agree, and I think we could convince them of it, if they knew we no longer was as dependent on oil too. We need to get them more diversified.

Answer 2

The Christian Right, The Federalists, also known as the Republican Party, ruled America with a two thirds majority for over 150 years. The Islamic Rulers of third world nations have been around longer than that. Theirs is a Fundamentalist Viewpoint that all others are enemies of god and should be destroyed. In the Democratic Society, freedom of religion is a "choice" not a "demand" of it's people. We will probably never see a Free Democratic Iran because the Islamic Rulers do not believe in anything that isn't Fundamentally Islamic. The Christian Right and the Islamic Rulers are two peas in the same pod fighting for control of it's people when it should be the people who decide on what's best for themselves. Democracy is a form of government that is for the People and all of its decisions are based on what is most correct for it's people. If Iran ever has a Democracy, then they will eventually be a more rational people.

Answer 3

A free and democratic Iran is a nice idea, but until there are some fundamental changes in the way that Islam is practiced, I don't think it's likely, at least not without foreign intervention. As long as the teachings of Islam say that a secular government is an insult to God, the adherents will not tolerate it anywhere they have enough power.
Iran is Persian, not Arab, but it is predominantly Islamic. There might be a large segment of the population which would like to be more moderate in their practice, but often these people are bullied into submission by the more radical factions. The rest of the time they are busy living their lives and they will tend to ignore what to them might seem like miner annoyances until they become intolerable.
When this happens, they will do something about it. When they do, that will be the time to lend any help we can. Until then, any interference we inject into the situation will only give them something to unite against, and give them a common enemy, which will end up giving the radical factions of Islam more support.

Answer 4

History has many different interpretations. Presently the biggest influence is Russia helping Iran with Nuclear. It is not with the majority of good people in Iran where the problems originate. Their society’s well-being and freedom is always thought of first. It is their religious devotion that drives their population to survive these conditions, but the extremists’ religion is also the problem. Haven’t you noticed that the different religions in the US do not get along either, but we do not kill each other? Humanity, religious extremists, tyranny, politics, history and trillions of dollars make a very complex problem.

1979 Russian military invades Afghanistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan

2002 Russia to sign $40 billion economic pact with Baghdad
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0820/p01s03-woeu.html

2003 Russia gave Iraq lists of assassins and details of arm dealers
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/4/13/190915.shtml

Thanks for all the informative reading, good question and answers.

Answer 5

It's tragic that so many Americans are completely and utterly ignorant of history.

Iran was free and democratic, until we put a stop to it.

In 1957 the people of Iran voted and had their first democratically elected president. But much to our shock and horror, he saw his primary interest as being Iran and the people of Iran, so he nationalized the oil industry - among other outrages. Well, we couldn't have that. We said he was a communist (an east charge to make in those days). But we just wanted to make sure we had all the cheap oil we could lay our hands on.

(Things we want in other countries btw, belong to us. Or so some manic politicians and dimwitted Americans believe)

So what did we do? Simple. The CIA went in and fomented a revolution. We paid off people, we found insurgents, we armed dissidents (this is how we support democracy). Thanks to our lies, the president was toppled and we installed in his place the Shah - a brutal dictator with his own secret police, torture chambers and death squads. The Shah served at our pleasure until he was overthrown in the Islamic revolution of 1979 during which our embassy in Teheran was also taken over and 81 Americans were held hostage for 444 days (I bet none of you ever knew why our embassy was taken over, did you?)

Well anyway, here we are today. And you all swallow the lie that "they hate us for our freedoms." Hahahaa. "They" hate us because we too away theirs. Get it now?

Answer 6

I would like to see some middle eastern country's not controlled by the Koran and radical Islamic fundamentalists. When women are abused and a religion permits it and even demands it people stop thinking of it as abuse and except it as culture. That is wrong. How to stop the spread of hate that is being propagated by Mohammed's Cleric Extremists? We could stop buying there oil, we could stop refining their oil. It would be a start.

Answer 7

Eisenhower had nothing to do with installing the Shah. That was a purely Democratic maneuver by Roosevelt and Truman.

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/mohammad_rezashah/mohammad_rezashah.php

Answer 8

No, we still owe them a big fat NUKE!
I feel, that if a country repeatedly falls into the hands of a radical dictator, then that is the natural proclivty of it's people. I guess it is about every 25 years Iran has to turn into this radical state and rattle it's saber.
The days of Iran being a star of the Middle East are long gone. They are a threat to us and should be viewed as such.
I appreciate your passion though. Is this your homeland?

Answer 9

Jimmy Carter (my Commander in Chief -puke-) sold out Iran in the late 70s by bringing down the Shaw thus giving the religious fundamentalists their own $country$ from which to export madness. USA backed Iraq in the Iran/Iraq war. I don't think Iran wants to listen to us very much.

If Iran persists in their nuclear weapons program Israel will solve this problem.

Answer 10

If Iran wants to be free badly enough, then they can be free without our help. Nobody helped America to be free, we had to fight for it to get it. In fact, some countries tried to do their best to prevent America from being free. Freedom is not Free, as we American Veterans know all too well. Many of us paid the price of freedom with our lives.