Do people posting here want the truth or are they more interested in spreading Bush administration propaganda?

Question

1. carrie asked: Why the UN doesn't sanction USA?

2. Someone answered: Wrong. Removing Saddam saved Iraqi lives. While Saddam starved to death children, he spent billions of dollars on palaces that included gold faucets. And instead of using plumbing equipment to purify water, he made lakes and waterfalls for himself.

"It is estimated that 500,000 Iraqi children have died because of the non-compliance of the Iraqi Government with [United Nations] Security Council resolutions 706 (1991), 712 (1991) and 986 (1995) since the end of the Gulf War. "

"Despite improvements there are still close to one million children under the age of five suffering from chronic malnutrition in Iraq today - that's nearly a quarter of all children of that age," said Mr. Carel de Rooy, the head of UNICEF in Iraq. "This is unacceptable. More still needs to be done to end the suffering of a generation of children."

3. The company that I work for disagrees with the above poster and his assertions.

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It seems as if people (posters) knowing right from wrong, have twisted and distorted the truth.

It, also, seems as if Congress was given false intelligence reports and was deceived.

We and most of the country, I believe, knows that our government used false facts, lies, to get UN resolutions passed.

We are a first-hand authority source, yet Congress has never called for our testimony against the Bush administration's corrupt and illegal war.

Yes, this is an illegal war. It is also criminal and murderous.

You can't go around lying about other nations, setup the facts, falsely and fraudulently, and then accuse that nation of wrongdoing!

If that nation was a legitimate nation and a nation at peace (doing no one any harm) to bring war to the shores of another nation in violation of US and international is criminal. This is what the Bush administration has done and in the process killed two million innocent Iraqis and incurred a war debt of two trillion dollars.

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Congress better wake up to the truth, as well as the American people. If our nation accepts this war as legitimate, the fraudulent killing of innocent people and the demonization of Iraq and its president with falsehoods. Our nation will never see the end to this war.

Do you people think that our nation can get away with two million people MURDERED under the color of our laws and get cleanly away with it?

Why do people support a criminal President and his regime?

To posting falsehoods and not trying to research or debunk them, makes the posters equally guilty along with the President and accessories to murder.

Quotations from the UN don't work, because mush of what is said in these resolutions do not reflect the truth as to what happened and our government was responsible for the creation and dissemination of false facts.

I am not trying to debate the issues here as much as to enlighten America. If you don't want the truth

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then this nation is destined to fail.

Global warming is a true reality, which governments must deal with. Solutions comes from people trying to solve matters and in a democracy, information is and should be freely available to people so people can decide. If government as well as some of the people hide the truth, then that nation is doomed to fail. Perhaps, some people DON'T care and expect the worst to happen, so feel that other people should never be enlightened. Well, they are sorely wrong, because in this instant solutions to the Iraq War are very possible and are able to be implemented.

I am wondering, when people are first-hand sources of information and they are telling you the truth, why do some of you lie and intentionally become accessories to the criminal conduct of a Presidential administration gone wrong?

In the Vietnam War, soldiers would frag intentionally errant (murderous) Generals. Why would you not demand integrity of the President and his administration

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similarly?

I am not trying to argue with you dissenters. I am presenting first-hand facts, so you can have a better handle on what has happened.

COMMENTS:

Nice Lady, most of the propaganda or untruth comes from the Pro-Bush side. I am willing and have been willing, for the past 17 years, to testify before a joint session of Congress as to all of the particulars of this Iraq War. I am willing, more than willing, to be directly sure by the President, himself, as to my allegations and words against him.

scipro3001, I am not an expert on right-wing propaganda on late-term abortions. My field is the Iraq War.

mumtuz, yes, my information does not come from the Fox Network. My company is the first-hand source.

Alan S, I am a business major and history minor, yet in my minor I am somewhat a scholar. From what I can see the President was pushed through school and history isn't his forte. During his early beginnings as President, he did not have the knowledge to control and

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manipulate affairs. Other people did that. Not Bush Junior.

John K, truth is always truth. As the Bible says anything apart from the truth is a lie. I tell the truth, because I believe in it and to see two million people die, due to a US lie is sickening. That is not the way to protect our nation!

Samantha Stickers, it may seem to be the best Republican propaganda, but not all Republicans will agree. What was crafted was so slick, that not many people can argue against it. If provided with the funds to research and to present this case before Congress and the United Nations, I would be doing so instead of posting stuff in forums.

If the President, himself, wanted to challenge me in Congress, I would welcome the opportunity to do so. Would you believe me, if I said that I am upright and that the President and the people behind them would rather have me discredited or murdered. That being the case, who is in the right and who is in the wrong here?

His coming out to testify

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truthfully, if he ever wanted to do so would, also, likewise, get him killed.

What the general public should do in this case is to continue to publish the truth about crimes in high places and thereby force Congress to open up a criminal investigation. That is how you prosecute people in high places, who are blatantly wrong as in the case of the Iraq War.

People who side with the President and posters who post things against the truth and knowingly in grave error, should be so marked! Doing so will discourage others from doing the same.

If someone posts a lie in defense of the President, then that person is just as guilty of treason and the murders of two million innocent Iraqi people!

grumpyoldman said, "This forum is based on 90% propaganda and insults." and I would reply, it would appear that way to a Bush supporter and to someone who didn't know what this conflict was all about.

xialou1, you are correct, but the fault lies in a select few having too much power and not

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willing to allow outside opinions and testimony to be heard...even if only privately to their own ears. I would have done it (advised them), if they were opened to possible good solutions and I would have been quiet and not gone public. Murder on a grand scale is a no no for me!

nileslad, no it's not. I am very clear about what I have to say.

James C, you are correct. Some people do stick assiduously to what they believe is true. If a person had the money they have the time to properly frame arguments and issues, in spite of being wrong.

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MY QUESTION IS SIMPLY: "Do people posting here want the truth about the Iraq War and are they willing to consider both sides of the argument?"
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My question, also, poses the question and concern that if people learn of the truth what will they do with it?

Do they want to learn the truth, so as to negate it and help a criminal go free?

This is not for me to argue.

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I like Saddam am willing to meet Bush on the battlefield (joint-session of Congress), yet I like Saddam will never have the opportunity to do so! How many more lies and American deaths will you people endure, before you bring this man to justice!

How many innocent Iraqis must die?

How many Americans do not know the truth behind this war and don't care to know?

How many smart people know that solutions come about, when people have accurate information. And then can thereby solve problems.

If you try to solve a problem without accurate information, no real solutions can come about. Such is now happening in Congress and in the military at the highest of levels!

Oh, also, conscious objectors should be allowed to not participate in the war, based on their beliefs, if they choose not to go to war.

If a person saw that a particular war was wrong and that our nation brought this war about based on fraud and lies, in a true and upright democracy

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that person would be exempt from fighting in that particular conflict.

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For me this is an emotional issue, as many family members in Iraq have died. You will see spelling and grammar errors in this posting therefore. Sorry!
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Answer 1

The answer to your question is that they have convinced themselves that the propaganda and the truth are the same thing.

It's Stockholm Syndrome. Except instead of convincing themselves that they're in love with their captor, they've convinced themselves that the man who is single-handedly trying to dismantle our way of life is the greatest American alive.

Answer 2

The truth is that in America we have hundred of thousands
of children who go to bed hungry. Children who are abused,
abandoned, neglected.

This is the true reality and the shameful facts that all administrations have turned a blind eye. There is no organized successful program introduced from the Presidents
Office or Congress that has had any effect on reducing child hunger and health care in the United States.

It is all about the money. This is a sad story that the richest and most wealthy country in the world can't help feed the needy and the young.

Charity starts at home. Not in Iraq. Iraq must address its own
problems. Less killing each other over religious beliefs and more caring for their own is what is needed. Each government
that is a democratic government has a responsibility to take care of their own. Period. What should we do ? Start a Berlin Airlift type program to supply the un- thankful needs of a hostile
U.S. hating country ? I don't think so. Feed a man a fish and he eats. Teach a man to fish and he can feed himself by his own devices.

The Woodster

Answer 3

Although I am vehemently opposed to George Bush and all of the Republican Presidents that we have had over the past 50 years, your rant does not convince even someone like me that you really have some special knowledge or expertise that would even justify Congress taking the time to allow you to testify at one of its sessions.

Why should Congress allow you to testify before one of its sessions over the many other people who have a great deal of expertise on these issues?

What special knowledge or expertise do you have?

Your rant convinces me that you have no special knowledge on this issue although you certainly do have a great deal of emotion behind your opinion.

There are hundreds of millions of other people also with strong emotions behind their opinions on this issue.

I recommend that you get in line with them.

Answer 4

I think it is a tribute to GWB's ability to control and sway the masses with propaganda. He obviously was paying attention in history class, too bad the lessons he learned weren't better.

Answer 5

It enables its devotees to support politicians who rob from the poor to give to the rich, who wage murderous and imperialist wars to enrich the military industrial complex, and who allow their corporate collaborators to blatantly abuse employees, consumers, and the environment. Thanks to the salve provided to their consciences by "knowing" they live in a Christian, morally superior nation (not to mention the security provided by their "guaranteed blissful after-life"), the mélange of groups and people comprising the extreme Religious Right can swear their allegiance to a group of monstrous human beings without feeling a twinge of guilt.

As many of my antagonists have pointed out, I am not without limitations (and I do not claim to be). Remaining in the United States to wage a non-violent struggle for human rights and social justice virtually assures that I will be a party to enabling the US war machine and corporatocracy in some way. Besides the fact that I pay federal taxes (fairly unavoidable for a working class family person), buy some products from grossly corrupt corporations (albeit as few as possible), and have my share of personal spiritual struggles, my other glaring sin is the hostility I harbor toward the enemies of humanity sitting atop the throne of power in our nation. However, even Jesus himself directed outrage at the money-changers and legalistic religious leaders of his day. If someone of his moral capacity directed anger at the corrupt establishment, who am I to presume I could overcome my rancor against the malevolent forces comprising the United States ruling elite? If their numerous crimes against humanity were not fanning the flames of my anger, I would no longer be breathing. My challenges are to prevent my ire from evolving into festering hatred or desire for revenge and to strive to maintain constructive anger (which motivates me to seek justice and positive change). That is a challenge to which I can rise, despite my human short-comings.

Answer 6

This forum is based on 90% propaganda and insults. Where have you been?

Answer 7

more interested in spreading right-wing propaganda and misinformation.
That is obvious when they claim "late term" abortions make up over 90% of abortions.

Answer 8

Or... are they simply interested in sticking assiduously to whatever they believed to begin with, regardless of political/religious/whatever affiliations?

Answer 9

understand that the US just wants power over oil and starving children is not a concern

Answer 10

Hey, but it is the best Republican propaganda that money can buy.